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Realignment Today: 6:36 p.m. — KU AD Zenger on MU to SEC becoming official: 'This news doesn't surprise us'

6:36 p.m. Update:

Here's a statement from KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger, who does not seem to be too torn up about the Tigers leaving.

"This news doesn’t surprise us. We wish Missouri all the best in the future. The University of Kansas can now focus on TCU, West Virginia University and the other members of the Big 12 Conference who choose to be with us."

Throughout the past several weeks, Zenger has been disappointed by the way Missouri's decision has overshadowed the Big 12 conference and how the Tigers have dragged things out.

I'm sure he's very relieved that it's over and, although I know he was a big fan of the Border War rivalry, I know he won't waste any time crying about the Tigers leaving.

MU chancellor Brady Deaton said today that there was still some work to be done with Missouri's exit, but, obviously, the ball is rolling that way.

Stay tuned...

4:02 p.m. Update:

If you care, this website — mutigers.com — says it will carry the celebratory news conference from MU about the Tigers' move to the SEC at 4:30 today.

Here's the link: http://www.mutigers.com/allaccess/?media=278674

In addition, some more reaction surfaced in the past hour or so. First, from interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas, and then from Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin.

Here ya go:

Neinas on Mizzou's decision

"The decision by the University of Missouri to leave the Big 12 Conference is disappointing. Mizzou has been a valuable member, with a Conference connection to schools in the Big 12 that dates back to 1907. I personally believe this decision is a mistake and that Missouri is a better fit in the Big 12. Once we have received a formal notice of withdrawal from Missouri, we will furnish it to our Board of Directors. The Board will review the situation and take appropriate action."

Smells like some kind of legal action could be forthcoming. It won't change the final outcome but it will drag this thing out a little longer. Oh boy!

Loftin statement:

"We are pleased that Missouri will be joining Texas A&M in the SEC — the nation's preeminent athletic conference — next season. Like Texas A&M, Missouri is a member of the prestigious Association of American Universities and is a great addition to the SEC in terms of academics, geography, a passionate fan base, and a well-rounded athletic program. I have had numerous conversations with Chancellor Deaton over the past several months, and I know he approached this decision deliberately and methodically as he acted in the best long-term interests of his fine institution. We are excited about what the future holds for both the Aggies and the Tigers as members of the SEC."

More to come. Stay tuned...

12:38 p.m. Update:

Just got the first hint of a reaction from the folks at Kansas University. Here's a statement from KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little:

“We’re sorry to see a century-old conference rivalry end. Missouri’s decision may have implications for fans and for the Kansas City area, but it won’t affect the long-term strength of the Big 12.”

More to come. Stay tuned...

12:26 p.m. Update:

Here are a couple of interesting reads regarding the Missouri move to the SEC. I'm not going to oversaturate you with Mizzou articles here today. I realize most of you don't care about their side of things, only what their decision is.

Still, there are some interesting things being written that are worth a read if you're not completely burnt out on the Mizzou talk.

Here's this from ESPN.com's David Ubben, who says the Big 12 is to blame for losing Missouri.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/38271/big-12-only-has-self-to-blame-for-mizzou-exit

And this is kind of an interesting look at Mizzou's past success against SEC teams from Dave Matter of the Columbia Tribune.

http://ht.ly/7kuKr

More to come as the day moves along and we wait for the "celebration" in Columbia, Mo., at 4:30 this afternoon.

Stay tuned...

10:53 a.m. Update:

Well, it took what seemed like forever and dragged us over more peaks and valleys than a ride through the Himalayas, but it's finally official.

The SEC announced Sunday that Missouri would become the league's 14th school, effective July 1, 2012. The Tigers have scheduled a 4:30 p.m. celebration on campus to make the announcement and have invited their fans to join them.

Here's the release from the SEC... And this time it's actually supposed to be on the site:

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (November 6, 2011) – The Southeastern Conference Presidents and Chancellors, acting unanimously, announced today that the University of Missouri will join the Southeastern Conference effective July 1, 2012, with competition to begin in all sports for the 2012-13 academic year.

The addition of Missouri will increase SEC membership to 14 institutions. The additions of Texas A&M, announced on September 25, 2011, and Missouri, are the first expansions for the SEC since September of 1991 when the University of South Carolina joined the league. The University of Arkansas joined the SEC in August of 1991. With the addition of Arkansas and South Carolina, the SEC was the first conference to split into divisions and add a conference championship game in 1992.

“The Presidents and Chancellors of the Southeastern Conference are pleased to welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC,” said Dr. Bernie Machen, President of the SEC Presidents and Chancellors and president of the University of Florida. “The University of Missouri is a prestigious academic institution with a strong athletic tradition and a culture similar to our current institutions.”

“The Southeastern Conference is a highly successful, stable, premier athletic conference that offers exciting opportunities for the University of Missouri,” said Chancellor Brady J. Deaton. “In joining the SEC, MU partners with universities distinguished for their academic programs and their emphasis on student success. The SEC will provide our student-athletes with top flight competition and unparalleled visibility. We came to this decision after careful consideration of the long term best interests of our university. We believe the Southeastern Conference is an outstanding home for the Mizzou Tigers, and we take great pride in our association with this distinguished league.”

Missouri, located in Columbia, will also be the fourth institution in the Southeastern Conference to hold membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, joining University of Florida, Texas A&M University and Vanderbilt University. Missouri has an enrollment of 33,800 students, which would be the fourth largest institution in the SEC, with Florida, Georgia and Texas A&M having a larger student body. There are more than 260,000 “Mizzou” alumni around the world. The State of Missouri borders three SEC states: Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas, and they bring an existing rivalry with former conference foe Texas A&M.

Missouri athletic teams have excelled recently. Its men’s basketball team has made it to the NCAA Tournament three straight seasons and 24 times overall. The Tiger football team has been to post-season bowl games for six straight years and 28 times overall. The softball team has participated in the College World Series each of the last three seasons. The Tigers have won Big 12 Championships in men’s basketball, soccer and softball.

“I am pleased to officially welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC family on behalf of our presidents, chancellors, athletics directors, students and fans,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “Missouri is an outstanding academic institution with a strong athletic program. We look forward to having the Tigers compete in our league starting in 2012.”

The Tigers sponsor 20 varsity sports. Men’s sports include baseball, basketball, football, golf, swimming and diving, wrestling, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country. Women’s sports include basketball, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country and volleyball. Missouri participates in every sport sponsored by the SEC except men’s tennis and the SEC sponsors every sport the Tigers participate in except wrestling.

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NEWS/tabid/473/Article/229185/university-of-missouri-to-join-southeastern-conference.aspx

Missouri's departure from the Big 12, leaves that league with 10 teams for 2012, provided West Virginia can get around a lawsuit from the Big East. The guess here is they will, as some sort of settlement will likely be reached.

What's more, if the Big East adds six teams, as has been speculated, that could help make WVU's departure easier since the league will be changing its structure.

WVU will owe $5 million to the Big East in exit fees. Missouri also will have to pay the Big 12 an exit fee, though, that number has not yet been finalized. It's believed to be in the $20-$30 million range, though sources have said that Mizzou has tried like crazy to negotiate that down.

Stay tuned for more throughout the day. We'll bring some links and other reaction. Don't expect a whole lot of talk from Big 12 country about this, though. Many Big 12 officials are simply glad that this is over and don't want to celebrate the Tigers' decision by drawing more attention to it.

If anything, there's more likely to be some, "See ya, wouldn't want to be ya," talk from folks in the Big 12 than anything else.

Guess we'll see. Stay tuned...

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kesmithstl1

Obviously the meth is having it's effects! Peace out, stay average!

11 years, 1 month ago

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MrPilot

Well, I guess that means that after 150 years of conflict off the field and on, we won.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk! (muck fizzou!)

11 years, 1 month ago

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holbigmac

Mixed emotions. Hate to Mizzou go, but since I'm kind of p__ed about it, I feel good riddannce too! That being said, it makes you wonder about the Big 12 and KU. Is our conference so bad that both MU and A&M want to leave? Or have the big money and big ego guys taken over completely at those two schools? Oh, well...

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Ted Adams

It's all about the benjamins at this point. Although, they will soon find that the money won't be all that different once everyone renegotiates their TV deals. The loss of revenue from ticket sales when they begin to get housed every week will probably not feel to good. Not to mention that the Big XII is likely to stick them with the $30M exit fee. That will kill their budget for a couple years. Good luck and good riddance.

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actorman

But didn't you read what Matt said? Misuse has tried like crazy to negotiate that exit fee down. And the Big XII, no doubt out of the goodness of its heart, will say, "Sure you're screwing the conference and ending a century-old rivalry, but what do we care? Go ahead and leave without any exit fee."

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lama

Sorry to see the rivalry end -- I assume this year's game at Arrowhead and the two hoops games will be the last.

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yourworstnightmare

This is in no way, shape, or form, good for the Big 12 or for KU. The instability of the Big teXIIas will continue, even with the addition of WVU.

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Gee, wonder what we could do with the money mizzou will have pay?

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lama

Exactly!

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johnnyhrdwd

Are they gonna have to pay?

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bradynsdad

Would trying to hire treussel, if he were even interested, be in our best interest? Or are his bridges in the big 10 burned? We will need somewhere to go when our conference crumbles.

11 years, 1 month ago

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lama

Tressel has big problems with the NCAA. Until that's resolved, he's radioactive.

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Mandie Eutsler

"Hey! Lama, how about something for the effort?"
"There won't be any money, but on your deathbed you will receive total consciousness."
"So, I got that going for me, which is nice."

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texashawk10

Do you want John Calipari coaching KU basketball? Tressel has left a similar wake of damage and devastation at every school he's been head coach of as well. I don't care how pathetic KU football is, there will never be a point where hiring Tressel is a good idea because he is capable of getting a death penalty type level of violations at KU and since KU has minimal tradition in football, the NCAA would have no problem making an example out of KU football and actually give KU football a death penalty.

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Ted Adams

In the end, not playing Misery is of no consequence. The money can be made up for elsewhere from the game in Arrowhead, and their is no reason to play them once they are gone since the conference schedules will be more than difficult enough.

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Marc Frey

I think that the Mizzery fans have more to lose in leaving the Big 12 than the Jayhawk Nation. I love beating Mizzery but unlike them, my life does not revolve around that game.

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tychi_jayhawk

I disagree. How are we "far worse for this change"? Playing Mizzery got us what exactly? The answer is merely the satisfaction of beating them.

In terms of the BIG12 (-2), it was almost a wash this time around. TCU is not quite what A&M is, but WVU is more than Mizzou. 6 of one, a half dozen of another. Almost a zero net loss.

The far bigger loss was Nebraska last year. That was a national brand with serious cache and the BIG12 had no replacement.

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Yosemite

TCU is way not what A&M is. If West Virginia is better than Missouri, then why didn't the SEC select them as the 14th team? West Virginia would have very much preferred the SEC. The Big 12 will never be able to replace Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Mizzou. Texas will either go independent or join the PAC 12 in 4-5 years. They can easily buy their way out. Oklahoma will find a new home then, too.

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142466

I agree that Neb is the biggest loss, especially for KU, KSU, and ISU.

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Janet Olin

Good riddance to Fizzou. Don't let the door slap your butt on the way out. I will still cheer for every team who plays them.

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MorganR

I agree with you. I think the rivalry was too intense for some Missouri fans (probably a few KU fans) and this has detracted from the spirit of sportsmanship. I hope KU won't schedule Missouri in future years.

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Stephan123

It would have been nice to see Missouri stay. I wonder how this will impact Texas recruiting for them with only Texas A&M the only on field competition? SEC is a bit overrated and over time maybe Missouri could put a competitive football team on the field with recruits from Florida. Probably never hear about Missouri again as they will be, without a strong Texas recruiting link, overwhelmed in the SEC.

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lama

I would assume just about every Big 12 team is now contacting MU's recruits from Texas. I think they have a pledge from a big defensive tackle from Houston....

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Yosemite

I'm betting all their recruits are looking forward to playing in the best conference.

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142466

SEC is by far the best FB Conference It's been like that for several years. It's not overrated. And don't see that changing any time soon.

I am not an SEC fan and I don't dwell in Dixie.

Fate awarded football excellence to the SEC once that region of the country reluctantly, but in the end mostly sincerely, accepted the purging changes wrought by the 1960s.

So be it. Satisfying trade.

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Hammertoe

Mizzou's recruiting just improved. What kid wouldn't want to play in the SEC? Football stadiums in the SEC make Memorial Stadium look like a high school field...

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Sam Constance

If "playing in the best football conference" was a major concern to recruits, don't you think the SEC would have had a few more Texas recruits than the pathetically low numbers they've had historically?

No, Missouri is walking away from any kind of established foothold in Texas with this move. They will still hang on and land a Texas kid or two--after all, they can say that they'll be playing A&M every year, I guess. Speaking of that, will they even be able to say that, since MU is hilariously in the East division?

SEC to MU: Hey, you can join, but on account of you bein' a junior membe...ahem a new member, we're going to put you in whatever division we want. Does it sound idiotic to have our Western-most state playing in the East division? Well, of course it does, but we'll be damned if we're going to upset our tradition for some outsider... ahem, heh-heh, ah, ummmm... for our new, exciting member.

I didn't want to lose Missouri, but if this is how they want it, I hope they are happy and fulfilled by being reunited with their fellow ex-slaver brethren. If the rivalry was going to end, I guess it's fitting that it's ending because Misery ran away with its ratty tiger tail tucked between its legs.

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pepper_bar

The Kansas / Missouri football game will continue to be played. Kansas needs the money. ($58,000,000 in debt, $8,800,000 guaranteed to the Gill staff over the next three years.)

Kruhnutz, I look forward to hearing your disagreement with me on this one.

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MDHawk

I would no longer pay to watch it. I figure many others feel the same.

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Daniel Kennamore

The $2 million isn't irreplaceable, we could just as easily play Iowa State, Oklahoma or a non-con series in arrowhead for the same amount.

Kansas State and Iowa State just finish a series at Arrowhead that netted them $1.5 million a year.

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Benjamin Piehler

K-State and Iowa state is cancelled at Arrowhead due to low attendance.

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Ted Adams

Won't happen. Those in charge have already spoken on this. Their really isn't any reason to play the game anymore. KU can make $1M on another home game. Won't be the $1.5M they get from Arrowhead, even in years they don't play at home, but they can make up for it easily elsewhere. KU doesn't need to help MU make money anyway.

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Jeff Coffman

$58MM in debt is so misleading, it is $2.5MM a year, which is chump change when your operating budget is nearly $75MM and after the TV deals get finalized it will approach $85MM. Quit citing things that don't make since.

Plus, we won't pay the full amount to dismiss TG, there will be a negotiation, because there is an incompentency clause and he will want to leave with something, rather than nothing.

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lama

No reason to play MU anymore, especially in basketball. Add a better program to the schedule.

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johnnyhrdwd

As long as there is cash flow.

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pepper_bar

You need to learn how corporate finance works. KUAC can "carry" its debt, sure, but they're also continuously adding large numbers to that debt. That will inevitably drive KUAC's future borrowing costs higher.

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Daniel Kennamore

Matt,

Can you please post the state about the number of Texas recruits going to Arkansas before and after their SWC days again please?

Where did you get the stat?

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Vernon Riggs

I hope the Big12 learns from this. DON'T STOP AT TEN TEAMS! Expand! Expand! Expand! Add Louisville and Cincy. Add BYU and Boise State. Add Tulane and South Florida. Add New Mexico and UNLV. I don't care who we add. As long as we stay at 10, we will be weak. Grow to twelve teams if anyone leaves the conference it won't tear the league apart. Twelve teams stronger than ten teams. Ten teams keeps the Big12 dependent on the Texas Longhorns. Ten teams keeps Texas stronger than the league.

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Ted Adams

How does it make Texas stronger? They signed over their TV rights just like everyone else. Their not stupid. This league is just as good as the SEC in football and twice as good in basketball, both men's and women's.

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Vernon Riggs

By keeping the number of teams at 10, the conference will always be one team away from another nuclear meltdown. At 10 teams, the team most likely to leave is the most powerful. Add a couple more teams and the less power that team has. I don't think that Texas's stupity will lead to a possible downfall; it will be their greed.

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142466

Gnging to at least 14, maybe even to 16, soon, is in everyone's long-term interest, except for UT and maybe OU. I would emphasize "long-term interest".
Diluting the brand would be financially draining for the first few years, but I would almost bet that within 10 years the new schools' sports prowess, academic standing, and TV value will be fully compatible with the league mean.

The B12 must expand soon. There aren't that many geographically suitable options, and most are already seeking haven elsewhere. The opportunity to expand is fleeting. It's now, or likely never. #11 and #12 must come from the most desirable on the list,
Loui, Cincy, and BYU. I think that if the B12 lets it be known that it is going at least 14 it becomes a much more attractive destination to every potential invitee.

Long-term KU's, KSU's, ane ISU's football prospects markedly improve the more schools the league adds.

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rob4lb

I see no reason for MU and KU to play long term. I'm not sure when the contract with Arrowhead expires. That might force both teams to play an extra game. The debt is not excessive and if the Big 12 forces A&M and MU to pay the full exit fees, each of the remaining eight teams should get close to $8M apiece.

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Matt Gauntt

Thanks for the update, Matt. I was having withdrawl symptoms not getting your updates - best columnist for the paper.

I hope this will whip the boys in Texas and Oklahoma to talk seriously about getting into expansion mode. The SEC won't stop at 14. It's an odd number when you look at a tournament and divsions - two divisions of 7? Sixteen will be a more logical landing place.

If we don't make a move to bring in Louisville, then the SEC will. Either that or the Big Ten (with 12) will make a move and bring in Louisville and others - perhaps poach more teams from the Big 12.

Bring in Cincinatti too. If we can get the dual arrangement from Notre Dame for everything excluding football and get BYU for just the football, then that would also work. IMO, we need to get back to 12 at a minimum.

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Yosemite

Nobody cares about basketball until the NCAA tournament. Schools are already making all the money they possibly can from basketball. The Big 10 will never consider KU.

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142466

The border war in FB and BB will temporarily cease. Three or four years from now it will start anew, with even more intensity. B12 v SEC. That assumes, of course, that KU football first ascends from hell.

Unless the Big 12 gets back to at least 12 members, preferably 14, the little 8 are merely fan bearers in the OU-UT FB royal court. With fewer than 12 league members, the historically weakest 6 of the little 8 have absolutely no chance of ever winning a conference FB crown. The historically strongest 2 of the little 6, OSU and WVU, have a slim chance.

It is very dissapointing to watch so many of the best potential invitees, like Houston, Boise, Air Force, etc. seeking safe haven elsewhere. Doesn't look good. We better sign up, Loui, Cincy, BYU, and one more (=14) soon. If UT is the roadblock, then, if legal, we need to convince OU to come over to our side. Then expell UT and expand. There is no chance of that happening, however, unless OU strongly believes that the Red River FB rivalry will continue.


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142466

My math was wrong. We need to add Loui, Cincy, BYU and 2 more to get to 14.
In the current environment that's quite a challenge.

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Vernon Riggs

You forgot that WVU and TCU are in. The Big12 has 10 teams now without Mizzou. We need to add 2 more to get to 12.

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Benjamin Piehler

I can't blame them for going. If KU got an offer from the ACC B1G or PAC, I'd say take it.... honestly I would never want KU in the SEC though.

I'm excited to watch Mizzou get pasted annually though...

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Yosemite

Missouri will compete in the SEC. Why do KU fans keep acting like the SEC is the NFL? You can continue to enjoy KU getting pasted in the Big 12. Even if they ever do find a decent coach, he will leave for greener pastures at the first possible chance.

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johnnyhrdwd

They play defense in the SEC.

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Dan Harris

They will compete at having the most marriages between 1st cousins and the most state meth labs!

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Benjamin Piehler

The SEC pretty much is the NFL, didnt you watch Bama LSU?? Good luck winning down there with only in-state recruits after every kid from Texas starts looking in other directions.

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Benjamin Piehler

Also, dont pretend for a second that its only KU fans questioning Mizzou's ability to compete in the SEC...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/s...

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actorman

I think the SEC commissioner's name is being spelled incorrectly. It should be Saliva, since you know the SEC is salivating over the annual beatings their teams will be laying down on Misuse.

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Ozarkace68

I keep asking myself, what are they thinking, then I ask, "who are they?". I am not sure who is driving the MU bus but they are certainly thowing a lot of student athletes, students, alums, and fans under it.

The more I think about MU's future the less significant they become. The only thing I wish them is that they are able to find a group of well grounded and visionary administrators and goveranance bodies in the future. By that time they may have sunk to the level of Mid Major.

Yes KU has major football issues but they will be fixed and it will not involve becoming arrogant, egocentric, or just plain stupid. The whole thing defies explanation. If it was about money they would have done nothing.

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lv_jhwk

SEC: Sports Enterprise of the Confederacy

Yep, Mizzery fits in just fine.

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Sparko

Missouri needs to pay the dollars to leave. And not let the screen door hit them in the a$$.

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David Atchley

Good to see someone on BGL's staff is keeping her current on what is happening on the college football and realignment landscape. Perhaps she will notify her Search Committee at their next Bunko Night.

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tychi_jayhawk

Mizzou has basically assured themselves to be mediocre forever. I hope the drown as the SEC punching bag.

Sidenote: In 6 years when all this comes up again, we'll be in better position for the B1G.

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142466

Yea, with this being a Sunday, I'd say this. In the SEC Mizzou will remain in BB purgatory. In FB, though, they will descend into one of Dante's lower circles of hell.

The Rebel States will now have the opportunity to punish Mizzou for having flirted but not ever officially joining the Confederacy. In FB, the scurrelous fire will be everlasting. As one of Faulkner's country bumpkin characters remarked, "They might have licked us, but they ain't kilt us yet. Ain't that right, General Suspin?"

There will be no one to rescue this abonimable State called Missouri from their dreadful fate. Some will even wonder whatever happened to that outfit hailing from Columbia, Mo., because in short order their new bedfellows will likely force them to change their mascot from Tiger to Weisel. Already too many Tigers in the SEC. The SEC lesser Alabama school has had at least three different mascots in the last 50 years. With a sudden burst of genious, Auburn finally adopted "Tigers", at least for now. There's no way the War Eagles-Plainsmen-Tigers will ever surrender their current mascot. Took them too much effort to discover it.

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Chris Kurtz

Here is my thoughts on hearing about Misery wanting to leave...and finally doing it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFuTDZ...

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Steve Hillyer

I don't particularly care for BGL's statement, sounds petty and immature. Instead of firing off statements about MU's leaving how about fire off an application to the Big 10 or any other big time stable conference to get us out of here. SZ has six years to get our athletic dept up to BCS quality or we are in trouble. One positive though with MU going to the SEC is eventually the Big 10 is going to have to expand and there are not many schools left to grab, with Pitt, Syracuse and now MU off the table may make it easier for us to get in, same for KSU. However if you look at athletic dept quality and football attendance both KSU and ISU have a better case to make than we do.

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Travis Clementsmith

That's got to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Let me get this strait, not only do you want BGL to set us up to be the butt of a Big 10 joke, you also want to piss off the conference that is about to pay it a pretty big paycheck for the next few years. It astounds me to the level misplaced pride will rise.

The Big 10 deos not want us. We do not endear ourselves to any conference by looking like malcontents in the one we're already in. You want to trade up? Better start demanding a football program that makes otheres take you serious. Kansas has no juice.

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Steve Hillyer

Apparently you didn't read my entire post, I agree we have no juice which is why I stated SZ needs to upgrade our athletic dept so we can become more attractive to other conferences, firing Gill is the first step. You yourself stated we will be getting a good paycheck (for a few years) which is exactly my point, as of now this conference is only going to be around for six years unless UT and OU decide to sign over their rights for a longer period of time and I don't see that happening. How attractive is this conference going to be to ABC/ESPN when our rights our up for renewal, there is no guarantee we will pull in as much money as some people think as our conference has definitely taken a hit? If the LHN fails, then UT will surely be looking move and then what?

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Travis Clementsmith

I think that's reading too many variables into the situation at this time. Texas does not want to go to a different conference. I know this is difficult to believe, but Texas is actually concerned about the difference in distance to play games. Texas already has bundles of money, its not their primary motivating factor. Because there is more than one player on the TV side of things, OU/Texas will bring in a big paycheck, and now with OSU moving up, is still an attractive get. Remember, its not just ESPN/ABC and CBS. Its also FOX, its also NBC/Versus. The playing field could look very different on the other side of the negotiations as well.

We need our prime football powers to win a championship or two, however, before then. The SEC has a stanglehold because they are winning these. If we can get a couple NCs for the conference plus a couple more NC appearances, the Big XII will be fine once First Tier comes around. We also don't know what teams may want to, or will be in the conference by that time.

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Sam Constance

Newsflash: the University of Kansas *currently* has a BCS-caliber athletic department.

Currently 3rd in the Big 12 in revenue behind Texas and Oklahoma, and that's with the sport that is typically the money-maker (football) spinning it's wheels and going nowhere.

I am so tired of the constant hand wringing from KU fans. KU isn't very good in football. Football is the biggest driver behind conference realignment. All that is true... BUT, football is not the *only* factor, and when you are as solid as KU in the other "revenue sport", you will not be kept away from the "BCS table", even if you aren't the first school off the shelf.

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TinmanKC

B12 should be aggressive in expansion. Spread the geographic edges of the conference to gain new markets: BYU, Cincinnati, Louisville, Boise State, Pitt, New Mexico and Colorado State. Go for a 16 team conference, still anchored in the heartland.

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Travis Clementsmith

Look, you can't just add team to have "more teams". You have to make the conference valuable so networks want to pay you to see the teams they have. Nobody wants to pay premium dollars to see Cincinnati, Louisville, New Mexico and Colorado St. I'm not sure how closely you follow this but Pitt is already going to the ACC as soon as they can with Syracuse.

You might make Louisville palatable as an add on. BYU might do something for you except their are other issues that don't make them a good partner. So, unless you're willing to kick in tens of millions of dollars to get it done, it aint happening.

The best thing KU can do is make its football program valuable. It doesn't have to be OU/Texas good, but Texas Tech good would be plenty when you combine it with the basketball program.

I want Louisville too, and I actually think they will be coming as soon as some other things get sorted out. But, KU fans need to get serious about their football program. The fact we can't fill up a 50K seat stadium is not impressive. South Carolina usually fields mediocre teams at best and they sell out their stadium almost continuously. I don't care how KU goes about doing it, but they need to get butts in the stands and at least make it appear as though the university cares about football.

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lama

Mizzou has trouble filling up its stadium (or traveling to bowl games), and it's the only football program in a state twice the size of Kansas.

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Travis Clementsmith

Yeah, but Kansas doesn't have TV markets like KC and St. Louis to offer. Everyone knows that's the reason the SEC is taking Mizzou. But, unless Topeka and Wichita are going to expand by a few million households, Kansa doesn't have that to offer.

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lama

KC is a KU town, and even more now.

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Steve Hillyer

Agreed, it would be nice to get to 14 but there just isn't anybody out there that is attractive, just because some schools are located in populated areas doesn't mean people in those locations are watching them.
And yes we need to improve our football program but regardless of how our team is we still need to support them, look at Iowa St., they sold their place out for us, if that game was in Lawrence we would have been lucky to get 35,000.

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lama

KU routinely sold out the stadium when teams were better under Mangino. But KU fans will not support a consistent loser, which is what we've had for three years.

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142466

I agree on the FB attendance. Attendance will return if KU can return to a competive program which produces consistently mediocre seasons (.500 W-L), and a lesser bowl appearance every 3 years. That's good enough. Several long standing barriers combine to prevent KU from ever doing better than that. Most posters on this blog over the age of 40 are well aware of those barriers.

So when KU finds another coach who can consistently deliver mediocrity (eg. Mitchell, Mason, Mangino), don't run him out of town and usher in 3 or 4 straight years of utter failure. Happens every time.

The league could have gotten to 14 before all this game of pick-up realignment sticks commenced. No foresight and too much UT influence in Conference decision making.

Teams like Houston should not be automatically excluded. To get to 12 they probably don't make the cut. But to get to 14 or 16, teams like Houston and Boise would have made sense. Think long-turn survival. Looks like members 13 through 16 are now seeking safe haven elsewhere. The Big12 blew it. The league could have difficulty just getting back to 12.

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LAJayhawk

From KU's facebook page:

"Missouri forfeits a century-old rivalry. We win."

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Yosemite

Missouri is still willing to play. KU is the one forfeiting the rivalry.

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Travis Clementsmith

Missouri is willing to play it because their state's city needs it. KC will really have to make it KU's while to play that game. Missouri is a forfeit.

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Yosemite

Do you even read your comments before you post them? Yours made no sense at all.

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Travis Clementsmith

Yes, I did, and then reread them, and they do make sense, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

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LAJayhawk

1) KU was making a well-timed and clever joke, one that even a mizzou friend of mine found humorous. Lighten up. It's okay to laugh from time to time.

2) Yep, you are right. A team that abandons a conference that it was a founding member of adding even more turmoil to an already tumultuous, two-year period, and at the very least has made one of the greatest historical rivalries in all of sports have less meaning says "hey, chase us down and we'll still play you, I guess" in order to save face by attempting to not completely abandon a city which would lose revenue from the absence of the game...... yep, they definitely did not forfeit!!

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babyjay1

Sorry... MU leaves and forfeits! Have fun in the SEC where you will be stomped on routinely. It's over... You can leave this board now and go find an SEC school and mouth off... See where that gets you!

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Sam Constance

That's not how it works. MU is the one walking away.

And while we can all agree that MU *is* a charity case, the University of Kansas is not a charitable organization, and is not in the business of playing games to help a give a former rival university's pathetic fanbase a reason to attend games or care about their program's sports in general.

The only reason the Tiggers even mentioned a willingness to keep the games going is because it benefits them, and they wanted to save face with their KC fans.

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bigjay83

Yosemite,

Your ex-wife who left you for your best friend just told me to give you some good news: she'll still sleep with you for money! Woohoo!

See, you're the one walking away!

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Mandie Eutsler

Hahahahahahahaha!

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Hammertoe

No. You Lose. Who wouldn't want to be playing in the SEC? More money, new recruiting doors just opened...

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actorman

How much more money will there be after adding in all the travel expenses, and after taking into account the lack of ticket sales due to the regular SEC stompings? In the end, Misuse will end up about the same financially and be even less relevant than they already were. I can't wait to see them get stomped on year after year.

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Sam Constance

More money, existing recruiting doors just closed.

There, fixed that for ya.

There is a reason that the SEC has historically not had a lot of recruits out of Texas. Do you really think MU and A&M are going to single-handedly change that?

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Benjamin Piehler

I honestly dont want to play in the SEC. Strait up. Not a good fit for my school in any regard. Missouri though, thats different.

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LAJayhawk

Read the ESPN link hawkinator posted below. Florida's athletic budget is twice the size of MU's. Even if they make more money (a very big IF), they will be forced to spend considerably more just to keep up with the rest of the conference. It may be a shinier package, but the contents aren't necessarily any better.

But I suppose there is the "guarantee" of stability. And with that, I steal the immortal words from one Christopher Farley...

"If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I've got the spare time."

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rob4lb

I am sorry to see MU leave. Everyone can do all the trash talking they want, but the conference is weaker without them. We are getting into the same tired discussions.

1. We bring no value to the Big 10. Even if we had K-State's football program, KU's basketball program and our AAU membership, we do not bring enough value for an invitation. Small state, average football team (better than poor) and small stadium.

2. The survival of the Big 12 is good for KU even in its weakened state.

3. It would be best to for the conference to expand to 12, but the same suggestions of add SMU, Houston, Rice, Colorado State and others makes no sense. I think BYU and Louisville add value. Outside of that, there is not alot of options.

4. Something bold like taking the remaining five Big East teams and combine with the ten remaining Big 12 teams to form a superconference.

5. We need to make sure that MU and A&M pay full exit fees. I suspect the Big 12 will screw that up.

6. Finally, it has been a rough year for all teams who are or have moved conferences. A&M and MU have four and five losses respectively. Utah and CU are struggling in the Pac 12 and it hasn't been a cakewalk for Nebraska. Louisville just beat WV yesterday and TCU has struggled a bit.

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David Atchley

The game against K-State and OSU last night was as exciting of game as you could ever hope to see. The Texas game against Texas Tech that displayed two teams that have had adversity over the past couple of years, and show what a credible/respectable coach, commitment and dedication to Texas recruiting talent and the PR required with the high school coaches,

The focus is the need for a strong Commissioner for the Conference and for Kansas, it will require a complete dedication from the Top/Bottom, as its not just a coaching problem.

The State of Kansas, needs to provide any/all assistance to both Kansas and Kansas State to raise salaries for Coaches/Assistants, for facilities etc..at both schools.

Then, Kansas needs a President that understands the gravity of having a competitive football program. It is truly the "front porch" of any University, particularly when television revenues are so lucrative in the formidable Conferences, and disposable dollars from alumni are becoming more scarce.

Then, she must have some criteria as respects any Search Committee that is assembled with the sole purpose of hiring experienced Athletic Directors or Assistant Athletic Directors from formidable programs that have a proven and profitable formula for their Athletic Departments and their facilities, have been "at the table" with a significant voice of realignment in their respective conference, or from the staff of the University of Texas, Oklahoma in their own Conference.

The same criteria needs to be applied to aggressively pursuing alumni/booster donations, from deep-pocket boosters. Again, this would require hiring someone from a similiar capacity, at a top program, OR an assistant from that program.

Last but certainly not least, There has to be a head coach hired that has success at a larger program, either a Head Coach like Mike Leach, Randy Shannon, Jeff Fisher, or an Assistant that is trending fast like a Chad Morris. Both Leach and Morris bring to the program a deep-rooted reputation and relationships with high school coaches in Texas. However a Randy Shannon and Fisher bring some cache' the television networks will surely enjoy.

The reason is Texas is "geographically" close enough where any recruits family and friend can see several Kansas games. There relatives can see them play at Texas, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, and not leave the State. What's more is they will get a lot of the regional games being played on TV. The way these tier 1-2 kids consider a Kansas, will be strength of the Head Coach hired and what relationships he currently has in among the high school coaches around the State.

"If you're going to beat the best, you have to hire the best."

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Robert Brock

We need to hire a coach who can fetch the better kids from Kansas and, in particular, Kansas City. The good local kids have shunned KU for years.

And stop taking Texas three-stars who are really Texas two-stars.

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142466

Having followed KU and KSU sports for over 60 years I have concluded that the following factors dictate that there can never be more than one consistently good college FB program in Kansas: the sparse population of Kansas, the few number of nearby cities, and the membership of both schools in the same strong FB athletic league.

Looking at the FB results of the two schools for the entire 20th century, I rank KU's program as mediocre and KSU's horrible.

KSU's FB program has delivered slightly better than mediocre results since the arrival of Bill Snyder. (you might even say "good results", if you ignore the cupcake status of most of the Wildcat's non-league outings). Huge jump up for the Wildcats. My theory exlpains why KU's FB results, overall, have been less than mediocre during Snyder's tenture.

If my theory is correct, then once Snyder retires for good, one of the following two scenario's will happen: (1) KSU and KU will both be mediocre (.500 seasons). Might happen because KSU FB has slightly above average for quite a while now. Or KSU FB could return to obscurity, Under that scenerio KU FB would then consistently waver between mediocrity and slightly better than mediocrity.

I attended KU for 7 years long ago. I am a KU sports fan. However, I'm not ashamed to admit that I derive some satisfaction from recent KSU football success. Once Snyder departs, my flirtation with KSU FB will probably end.

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Hammertoe

Name one "basketball" school that consistently competes well in football. Blue Chip Football players do not attend basketball schools. Duke, Kentucky, North Caralina, etc

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Ryan Gerstner

While I like Ubben, he's a Mizzou grad so anything Mizzou related you have to take with a grain of salt.

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Benjamin Piehler

http://espn.go.com/college-football/s...

Good Article.

...."And now the Tigers, visions of long-term security in their heard, are stepping up their level of competition. The Tigers are like the Midwestern executive who takes a job in New York because it pays more. Only when he gets to Manhattan and discovers the price of rent and groceries does he understand that the rise in pay will include a decline in the standard of living."

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LAJayhawk

"But there's a reason that they call the trustees of the University of Missouri 'curators.' They are the people who work at museums, which is the only place you'll find a Tiger trophy in football for the foreseeable future."

Ouch.

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142466

Nice.

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actorman

Reminds me of the great website that a KU fan set up that was a takeoff on the Misuse website. The site had this memorable line:

"Upon entry into (Mizzou) Arena, one notices a large, though surprisingly empty, trophy case."

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jhox

This has little to do with money. David Boren, the OU President, put the final nail in the coffin when he decided to play poker with Texas and threaten the latest move the the Pac 12. Otherwise MU may have been content to sit around and wait for the Big 10 to finally come to the rescue. I can't say that I blame MU. How many KU fans would have been for a move to the SEC if we were offered the opportunity to get out of this dysfunctional league we're in? Still, I'm no one who believe MU should have their cake and eat it too. I hope KU never plays them again unless they meet in NCAA tournament play. I hope our administrators never become tempted by the money and decide to play them again.

MU may have done us a big favor though. If the Big 10 ever does decide to expand, maybe they'll look our way now that the Missery is out of the picture? We can always hope for that. In the mean time we hopefully have a few years to improve our football resume for the next round out Texas and / or OU threats.

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LAJayhawk

The old rumors were that the Big 10 would have wanted to add BOTH Kansas and mizzou to lock up the St Louis and KC markets. I have absolutely no idea what the Big 10 is thinking about anything, but if that theory is true, then mizzou to the SEC may have hurt our chances of ever being in the Big 10.

Our best place is in a stable Big 12, though, anyway. They need to continue to add and stay alive.

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LAJayhawk

It's never good to talk in such a definitive nature. What you just said could be the case, but it could also very well not be. In fact, I don't even think the Big 10 is thinking that way. Yet you say it like you work inside the Big 10, which I am 99.99999% certain that you do not.

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LAJayhawk

As I said, you very well could be correct. But talk radio is wrong... a lot. I would just avoid being definitive about it; leads one to believe you have knowledge others don't.

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LogicMan

Never say never. Did I read that the SEC has no exit fees? Maybe MU knows this, and could bolt, with KU, to the Big 10+2 when they finally decide to get up off their hands and call us. A few years of being pummeled in the SEC may do wonders.

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LAJayhawk

Well then I'm glad I never actually said never... ;-)

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142466

KU still has an outside shot at the Big 10 if they decide to add N.D. and balance it with one western invitee. The only western candidates that I can come up with are KU and ISU. ISU is not such a ridiculous idea as some think. Excellent geography, AAU membership, good academics, especially in engineering, and FB and BB that don't embarress. Better FB than KU, at least for now. The Clones don't bring in any new TV sets, though. It would really hurt for ISU to enter the Big 10 ahead of us.

If the Big 12's demise 6 years hence ushers in the final episode of the realignment sweepstakes, the Big 10 might go from 12 to 16. We would be one of the few available western candidates. The problem, though is that there could be quite a few eastern candidates.

Talk about UT going to the Big 10 ssems to surface every year. I will be shocked if that were to ever happen. My perception is that the Big10 member schools are as staunchly Yankee and progressive as the SEC is Rebel and narrow minded.

I'll admit that my perception of the Dixie States may itself be narrow minded. The criminal behavior of Lestor M of Mississippi George W. of Alabama, and their followers are not easily erased from memory. Supposedly, I am related to the Boy Orator of the Plains. I never mention that in public, though. The ideas he championed in the monkey trial were tantalizing, silly and preposterous. Spencer Tracy's and Frederick Marsh's movie portrayals were oustanding. Five star rating. I'm afraid that those ideas and the frame of mind from which they emanate still prevail in Dixie.

I just can't see the proud academics and staunch Yankee cultural heritage of the Big Ten wellcoming 10 gallon hats, livestock on the FB field, and an oversized band, musical, that is, all dressed like Glen Campbell into the Big10. There'd be many sour faces in places like Madison and Evanston. List me as a doubting Thomas on that marriage prospect.

Speaking of Glen Campbell, the L.A. stop on the PGA tour was for several years titled the Los Angeles Glen Campbell Open. Now that was an interesting combination. Glen, I understand, has joined Pat Boone and Lonesome Roads Beck (google Andy Griffith's movie credits) on the sacred quest. That path is proving to be the most lucrative option for fading crooners.

And with that I have probably offended many good people. This post will likely meet an early demise.

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franklin2739

The Big 10 did not want to add teams this go around because of their TV contract which does not expire for a few years. To say that KU adds nothing to that conference ignores the reality that KU's athletic department brings in as much as NU's. No, it does not bring in the football dollars, which this whole thing is about, but KU is not a Texas Tech, Baylor, ISU,or KSU because it has more value. I think, based on the fact the big 10 added NE, that Delany figured out that there is more to adding teams to a conference than adding a TV market. MU has more TV's, in theory, than KU, however, MU's athletic department brings in less than KU's. Being in a market where noone watches the team gets you no where.

that said, I don't know what the big 10 will be thinking in 6 years when/ if the Big 12 collapses and neither do you.

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142466

You're right, I don't know whether the Big12 will die, just guessing like most. My guess, actually, is that it will soon return to 12 and live. A lot of uncertainty, though. At least for now.

Another hunch is that Loui and Cincy have already been invited, conditional upon MU's exit, WVU's entry, and satisfactory resolution of legal issues for all the involved schools and conferences. My guess is that Loui and Cincy have already informally accepted entry subject to those terms. Adding WVU as the only school east of KC and then stopping at 10 would leave WVU too distant and isolated from the pack.

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Kyle Sybesma

I think we should consider pulling our annual basketball game at the Sprint Center. Coach Stewart would never spend any money in KS. I don't think we should schedule basketball games in Missery. KU should look at scheduling an annual game in Wichita. And forget a KU - KSU game at Arrowhead.

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Pitthawk34

Agreed-Maybe some of the big boys in the KCK area around th speedway may look a building an arena for concerts, basketball, hockey. That would be a dagger for KCMO. I would not all be suprised if discussions may take place here in the next few yeas with everything going on around the speedway. that area is growing like you could not believe with lots and lots of land.

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LogicMan

Any way to put a temporary roof, e.g., inflated with helium, over the new soccer stadium?

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JhawkalumJB

Cool idea! I like it.

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Pitthawk34

810 radio reported that it was going to costs something like 125 mil to enclose and climatize the soccer stadium. So I say spend 300 mil for a arena that can hold 20,000 to 25,000 that would put the sprint to shame and a dagger to KCMO. Im quite sure some of the big time buisness there would be all for that idea.

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JhawkalumJB

The most troubling thing to me in this conference realignment BS is that the Big12 is being reactive to everything. Why don't they pull their heads out of the sand and be proactive for a change? In today's world reactive organizations DIE and LOSE!!! Happens in business (and life) all the time!

WAKE UP BIG12!!!!!! EXPAND TO 12 MINIMUM!!!!! NOW!!!!

Prey on the Big Least just like the SEC did to you. Eat or be eaten! Sad that it has come to that, but it is what it is.

Repeat after me, "proactive....good, reactive.....bad", good. Now go get to 12 teams at least.

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Pitthawk34

If they go to 12 this year that would equate to 1.7 million loss to each school under the current TV package per year. I understand why they are going to wait a couple years.

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JhawkalumJB

Not completely true. The new members revenue sharing increases incrementally. It wouldn't cost nearly that much. The new members only get 50% of their share the first year.

You eventually pay that amount to all 12 schools anyways. Procrastination is not the answer. If we get cherry picked again the conference could very well die. Solidify now! Just my opinion.

What is the price of long term stability? $1.7mill or whatever it is... sounds like a bargain to me.

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Hammertoe

Why would Mizzou want to schedule games against KU? They have moved on to greener pasturers. Their fans are excited across the state with the exception of the KC area. Mizzou will compete well, especially in basketball, in the SEC. The cash bonanaza from changing conferences will be put back into upgrading their stadiums. Trading Mizzou and Texas A & M for West Virginia and TCU is not a good trade but one out of desperation for the Big 12.
No matter who is coaching KU football team, their hands are tied. Blue Chip Football players do not attend Basketball Schools. When was the last time Duke, Kentucky, North Caralina...had good football teams.
KU is in last place in Football and Volleyball in the Big 12. Statistically, the odd of that happening....2 chances out of 100.

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142466

Your remark about great BB schools being FB bottom dwellers is correct. Always has been. KU is burdened by several other inherent FB disadvantages. KU should attempt to return to FB mediocrity. Only if the league returns to 12 members can we possibly do that.

As to Mizzou's and A&M's fate, your predictions may be right. Looks to me that A&M has a good chance of becoming a decent SEC FB member. Maybe even an occasional title seeker. Mizzou's FB prospects, record wise, are highly uncertain. The Tigers probably think some top Illinois recruits who want to prepare for Sunday games by playing in the SEC will view Mizzou as their best cultural fit. It'll be fun to see what happens to the Tigers, the ones from Columbia, that is.

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Benjamin Piehler

Is 12 million annually a "cash bonanza"?

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Ervin O'Neal

"It is all about football and money" - This is the only correct thing you have said.

"Name one "basketball" school that consistently competes well in football. Blue Chip Football players do not attend basketball schools" - Could you give your definition of "Blue Chip Football players"? I have a STRONG suspiscion that schools that ARE actually elite in ANY sport like basketball or football have a very different definition than a Mizzou fan. Your "Blue Chip" football recruiting class for 2012 is ranked #27 according to Rivals (a big jump from #48 last year especially considering KU was #34 last year). Being #27 might sound good to a MU fan. But in reality, with all your recent "success" in not winning a conference title, not ever playing in a BCS bowl game, and not having fan support on the road has rewarded you with a stellar "Blue Chip" class that is ranked below 9 other SEC schools (5 of which are in the SEC East). Your are talking "Blue Chip" like MU is the new Roll Tide. What a joke! Even Vandy and TCU have better recruiting classes coming in than Pinkel can get.

Every MU fan that I have spoken too has been honest enough to state that they know they are not going to compete well in the SEC. You must be dilusional. Keep gathering up 14 or so 3-star "Blue Chip" recruits each year and take them to places like Gainesville, Knoxville, and Athens and the 3,000 MU fans or so (on a good day) that attend the road games and we'll see who's laughing last. And please, I beg of you, please, when you attend a game in places like Tuscaloosa, please show the same level of class that is displayed at Arrowhead. This way, you will get a better understanding of the term "passionate" fans and the world will have less MU fans it it.

You argue that MU going to the SEC will help recruiting What planet are you from? It might help you pick up a few leftover 3-stars from the South. But they will just be replacing the 3-star leftovers you won't be getting from OK and TX. The state of Missouri has 3 kids in the Top 100 for next year. All 3 did not choose Mizzou. Struggling to make the Top 10 in the SEC versus the nation will not improve even the local recruiting. Keep this in mind. Location! Location! Location! You are in a conference now that is full of schools in the states where the top recruits are concentrated. And you think that the "Blue Chips" are going to pass up playing at home to come play in Columbia, MO just 500 miles or so from their family and friends?
I think you mean "leftovers" instead of "Blue Chips".

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Hammertoe

The future of college athletics at Mizzou is much brighter than the future at Kansas. It's all about football and money. Anybody want to sit through the Mizzou Kansas game at Arrowhead in the last match up?

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lama

Nobody wants K-State -- we get it. Move on, dude.

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Benjamin Piehler

There is nothing to suggest that Mizzou will improve in sports. What new recruiting did they open up? They lose the Texas pipeline (Look at Arkansas) and if they want any Florida/Louisiana kids they have to take a number behind 8 or 9 more prestigious and longer established football programs in the SEC. And theyll never win with only kids from Missouri. You think that spray-painting "SEC" on the field actually changes anything?

Seriously, we occasionally get some K-State people on here who are actually capable of having a rational conversation. Mizzou leaving affects K-State as well, but no surprises here, you'd rather see KU lose than State win. You post here *all* the time with nothing but malice (Rarely any evidence)... you seem to be a bitter person with way too much time on your hands. Get a new hobby.

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kureader

Matt Tait ... questions for you ... and/or suggestion for a followup article.

I've read many articles about conference realignment and about MU's motives for leaving the Big 12. But, most of them don't make sense. I've yet to hear a cohesive explanation about MU's motives ... even from my MU friends. Given the new ESPN contracts with the Big 12, and given exit fees, etc ... is there really more money in the SEC? Since contracts for each conference are frequently renegotiated, how can MU really know that the money is better? I've yet to see an article that really discusses the financial advantages to MU.

A couple MU friends claims MU wanted to leave the Big 12, because they thought the Big 12 Conference was unstable. Their threats of leaving the Big 12 Conference for the Big 10 started when they were passed over for a BCS Bowl. That was before anyone knew that Nebraska and Colorado might leave. It seems MU did as much as anyone to make the conference unstable.

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142466

From the day it happened and ever since, I've always thought that KU's selection over MU to the Orange Bowl could have serious negative consequences. I'm a Jaykawk, so I was glad we got the invite. But Mizzou had the better body of work that year. Put yourselves in their shoes. Had to be very disheartening.

It's ironic that KU's and MU's previous Orange Bowls occured in successive years, Jan 1 of 1969 and 1970. KU lost in 69. MU won the next year. It was unfortunate that the next time KU and MU were Orange Bowl worthy only one could go. Emotions and grudges do sometimes play a role in big business decisions. I've personally seen it happen.

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142466

Oops, I goofed. The wife just told me that Mizzou lost, too. I remembered that PennState was our common opponent, but had forgotten that Mizzou lost, too.

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Ervin O'Neal

I'm no historian, but from conversations a long time ago with Mizzou fans, they have had issues with the way the Big 12 (unlike other conferences) would allow certain bowls to select the school to invite. The Orange Bowl was a big blow (and out of the hands of the Big 12). But there were other years around that same time where schools that finished below Mizzou were chosen to go to more prestigious (non-BCS) bowl games where other conferences would have sent MU automatically based where they finished.

Personally, I agree with Mizzou's beef when say Texas A&M goes to a higher paying bowl game (in Texas) in a year where MU had a better conference and overall record (and possibly even beat aTm. This is a scenario I made us as an example. But from what I recall, it isn't far from what happened.

I think it all comes down to the level of passion for football in your fan base. I know we say it on here a lot, but it is true. Despite having a little bit of success, MU simply doesn't have an impressive football history or tradition. Especially not the kind that makes their fans put going to games at the center of their universe. KU doesn't have that type of fan base in football either. But due to our Bball program building maintaining fan loyalty, I think we did have an impressive road crowd when our football was winning. Bowl committees want to maximize the number of out-of-town visitors coming to their city. If you were on the Cotton Bowl committee several years back and were allowed to pick the team you wanted, would you want to see traveling fan base from Nebraska or Mizzou come to your event? I'm guessing you would pick Nebraska even if MU had one more victory due to beating Nebraska. I think MU is justified in their frustration with the Big 12 administration. But that would be just one of numerous reasons we all have to be frustrated with the conference.

11 years ago

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Hank Cross

1. BGL's statement was classless.
2. MU made the right decision for MU. Had KU had the chance to jump to the P12 last year with CU, they would've been fools not to take it. UT is poison.
3. Enough with this Civil War stuff. No one has had any slaves in MO for almost 150 years. Plus, John Brown wasn't from anywhere near KS and was basically the Osama Bin Laden of his day. It was he, not the South, that first attacked the Federal Gov't over slavery and he deserved to be hanged for his treason.
4. This doesn't affect in any way a possibility that KU and MU could go to the B10 at some point. If Delany picked up the phone today, MU would be in the B10 tomorrow. See TCU for precedent.

11 years, 1 month ago

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Hank Cross

5. Force Gill out. If he really is a man of good character, he should realize it is wrong to be paid for being a FBS coach, without actually doing the job. KU has got 6 years to achieve at least mediocrity in FB.
6. F' texas.

11 years, 1 month ago

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Sam Constance

The only thing foolish I keep reading is the minority of posters who keep insisting that Texas is such "poison" (to use your term) that we are better off jumping ship and playing in a conference that makes absolutely no geographical sense to get away from Texas.

Look, I know Texas is an easy scapegoat. They are one of the most fiercely independent states, and their flagship public school as a reputation that is no different. They also have a lot of money and resources, and we all know it's easy to hate the entity that has everything and blame them for all of our problems.

But the reality is that being in a conference with Texas *helps* smaller states/schools like the University of Kansas. Not only does it help, but the benefits are far more tangible than the supposed drawbacks. Most of the drawbacks are a lot of hot air and grandstanding on the part of anti-Texas. For all the blame that people want to heap on Texas for the last 2 years of realignment mess, let's not forget that it was Missouri's wandering eye that set off the "cold war" panic in the first place.

Also, as a side note--it's hard to take any statement about classlessness seriously from someone who used "F' texas" as one of their principle arguments. Just a word to the wise...

11 years ago

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Hank Cross

Wrong. The seeds of UT's aims to take the league to 10 teams began on 12/5/09 when they had to put a second back on the clock so UT could kick a FG to beat NE to go to the BCS. UT then leveraged the P10's offer to spook the B10 into taking NE when it wanted ND. CU's exit was incidental. UT got what it wanted - a vassal conference. I just wish it was us leaving instead of MU.

11 years ago

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Robert Brown

How long is the football contract at Arrowhead with MU? I got the impression that it continued through 2012. If that is the case, we better not back out of the contract. It would look very childish. OK, we feel like jilted lovers and so now continue with the trash talk.

I don't blame MU for leaving. It is a little strange that the MU president was leading the effort to keep the conference together and now that there seems to be some stability, he takes his school to another conference. But ask yourself a question: Who can you trust in the conference? The big boys are OU and UT and over the last16 months have tried at least twice to leave the conference. How committed are either school?

I don't know why everyone seems to think that we might end up in the Big 10. It makes not fiscal sense for the Big 10 to expand. From what I have read, if ND goes to a conference, it could likely be the ACC. Once that happens, there is no reason for the Big 10 to expand.

11 years ago

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GoodbyeMU

Time to got get Lou and Cincy - drive a nail in the Big East at get back to 12 teams

11 years ago

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David Atchley

TV Contracts are for only "10" Teams....couldn't go to 12 teams without substantially lessening the amount of dollars to every team in Conference. The Conference will stay at "10" until current TV contracts expire OR a permanent Big 12 Commissioner is hired, and the TV networks will have a voice in that as well.

11 years ago

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William Weissbeck

Does Mizzou seriously think they will get bowl consideration ahead of Ole Miss, or A&M? If anyone in the Big 12 should hold a grudge it's K-State from '98. The Big 12 is still standing in place. The Big East has made its moves. At this point our only recourse is to rebuild the old SWC with the likes of Houston and SMU. Not bad schools, but it doesn't increase the number of TV sets.

11 years ago

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