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Coaching Search 2011: Day 4, 6:07 p.m. - Sherman out at A&M?; chat transcript; 2 very different lists; plus more on Fedora and Ole Miss

Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables.

Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables. by Associated Press

6:07 p.m. Update:

Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman just recently threw out a Tweet that said Texas A&M has decided to get rid of head coach Mike Sherman. Nothing official yet, but, if true, the move would open the door for Southern Miss coach Larry Fedora to head to A&M.

Fedora is a native of College Station, Texas, and would seem — SEEM — to be very interested in that job, which would then throw another wrinkle in KU's plans.

We'll see how this develops.

Stay tuned...

4:24 p.m. Update:

Just wrapped up the live chat we did and I want to say thanks to all who stopped by to check it out. It went very well and we'll do another one sometime soon.

Here's the link for those who missed it and might want to catch up. Warning: It's long!

http://www2.kusports.com/chats/2011/dec/01/matt-tait/

Fortunately, while we were chatting, not a whole lot happened in the coaching search world... at least not above the surface.

Rumors of Kevin Sumlin to Arizona State popped up and were squashed, Houston Nutt's name came up as someone who may be showing interest in the KU job and ESPN's Scott Van Pelt — a frequent visitor to Allen Fieldhouse — called the KU job the worst of the current BCS openings.

Wonder how Van Pelt's seats will be next time he wants to take in a game.

Anyway, I'll stay on this for the rest of the night but I've gotta pound the phones for a while and make up for lost time on the chat. Thanks again for stopping by and if you didn't or haven't go check it out.

Stay tuned...

12:39 p.m. Update:

Four days is not that long when it comes to just about everything. But in the world of a coaching search, that amount of time can feel like an eternity.

We're now midway through Day 4 of KU's coaching search, and we're starting to discover that this may be a tough job to fill. There is plenty of interest out there, from all walks of life, but progressing from interest and to an actual interview can be a long road.

With that in mind, here's a look at a couple of lists that have taken shape with regard to KU's coaching vacancy. The first is a group of five candidates that KU fans would probably be OK with if one of these five guys was named KU's new football coach.

--- These lists are in no particular order ---

1. Mark Stoops - Florida State defensive coordinator with great football pedigree
2. Larry Fedora - Southern Miss head coach is one of the hottest names out there
3. Brent Venables - OU defensive coordinator a long shot to land the job but is interested
4. June Jones - Offensive guru with past success at Hawaii and SMU
5. Skip Holtz - S. Florida coach has good pedigree and may be looking to escape Big East

The second list is the one that KU fans don't want to see but may have to get comfortable with in the coming days. It's entirely possible that parts of both list could merge together to make one super list, but only time will tell if that's the case. Here are the names that would probably take some serious selling if KU announced one of these five guys.

1. Dave Doeren - N. Illinois coach has KU ties, is an up-and-comer but isn't super sexy
2. Dave Christensen - Wyoming coach with ties to the area has had success out west
3. Sonny Dykes - La. Tech head coach a lot like Mike Leach but without the wackiness
4. Dana Dimel - K-State assistant and former Wyoming coach with ties to Zenger
5. Troy Calhoun - Air Force head coach is strict disciplinarian and has had success at AF

Still trying to track down some information and add or subtract guys from these lists.

I still believe that there's a name or two out there that may fall in between these two lists and would be a great hire and one that KU fans would embrace. Can't put my finger on who that might be, but I'm working on it.

Stay tuned... And don't forget to check out our live chat on the front of the site a little later today, at 2 p.m. (central time)

10:58 a.m. Update:

With names flying around all over the place and no clear cut leader emerging in KU's search for a head football coach, let's get away from some of the reaches and shift back to a name we know is on the list and near the top — Southern Miss coach Larry Fedora.

The Sun-Herald, in south Mississippi, revealed in this article that Fedora did not deny interest in the Ole Miss job when asked about it on Wednesday.

http://www.sunherald.com/2011/11/30/3605804/is-fedora-staying-or-going.html

There's a chance they could be reading too much into his "non-denial" because Fedora has said from the beginning that his focus was on the upcoming Conference USA championship game against Houston and nothing else. Therefore, it would seem entirely logical for him to give no comment on any and all questions about any and all schools.

Still, you have to believe Fedora would have at least some interest in Ole Miss if they're interested in targeting him as reports have indicated.

Here's are a couple of quick updates on where Ole Miss is at in its search. This first article is really interesting. It says that Ole Miss' search committee met with the team to share information on the candidates and field questions about the search from the players. The meeting was closed and no details were divulged, but that's very interesting.

Don't expect to see that at Kansas — or most other places for that matter. It's, quite frankly, a pretty wild way of running a search considering how tough that makes it to keep news quiet. Can you imagine how quickly word could spread if 100 KU football players had some information. Props to Ole Miss for doing right by their players, but wow. Wow!

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/ole_miss_inching_closer_to_nam.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20111201/SPORTS030103/112010333/Search-might-reach-next-week

http://www.theolemissblog.com/2011-articles/november/ole-miss-coaching-search-update-smart-or-fedora.html

Also, I heard somewhere recently that Chip Brown of OrangeBloods.com reported via Twitter this morning that Texas A&M was likely keeping Mike Sherman. Brown covers Texas and not Texas A&M, but he's pretty plugged in. I'll do some more digging.

If A&M's job is not open, that boosts KU's chances of landing Fedora.

Here's a recap from the Houston Chronicle about Sherman's fate hanging in the balance.

http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2011/12/shermans-fate-might-be-decided-today/

Much more to come. Stay tuned...

9:24 a.m. Update:

Starting to hear a few grumblings that Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald may be in the mix for the Kansas job.

Fitzgerald, who turns 37 tomorrow, who has been at Northwestern since 2001, the head coach since 2006, has put together a 40-35 overall record at Northwestern and has led the Wildcats to three bowl appearances during that time.

Fitzgerald was a fairly hot candidate for the KU job when the Jayhawks hired Turner Gill in 2009 but it was believed then — as it may still be today — that it would be tough to pull him away from his alma mater.

Fitzgerald currently makes $1.1 million at Northwestern.

We'll see what happens, but keep an eye on Fitzgerald and Evanston, Ill.

Also heard from someone who listened to the show that Gary Barnett was on 810 sports radio in Kansas City this morning and said he would definitely be interested in the KU job.

Coincidentally, Fitzgerald played at Northwestern for Barnett, who has a great track record of success at both NU and Colorado.

Barnett, 65, last coached in 2005 and won several coach of the year awards in 1995. He also was named the Big 12 coach of the year in 2001 and 2004 and Big Ten coach of the year in 1995 and 1996.

Back to the phones to see what more I can find out.

Stay tuned...

1:31 a.m. Update:

First, before we get too far into this thing, I’ll be doing a live chat at 2 p.m. (central time) today on KUSports.com.

Log on now or any time to submit your questions and then swing by around 2:00 to see what kind of answers I can come up with.

OK, back to the search...

It’s Day 4 of the Kansas University football coaching search, and I’m sure for many of you, it feels more like day 40.

As the days go by and candidates come and go, rise and fall, it becomes clear that crossing names off the list is easier to do than adding names to it or highlighting names on it.

This much we know: Mike Leach is not coming. The former Texas Tech coach agreed Wednesday, to become the next head coach at Washington State, spurning all other suitors for five years, $2.4 million per, and the great Northwest. Like I said, cross him off the list.

Strong cases continue to be made to strike Jim Leavitt, Jim Tressel, Kevin Sumlin and Mike Stoops from the list, so, from the looks of things, it appears we may be getting somewhere.

We’re not. KU may be. But we’re certainly not.

Florida State defensive coordinator Mark Stoops, Southern Miss head coach Larry Fedora and, to some extent, Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables all appear to be in good shape to at least get an interview with KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger.

On the B List, Dave Doeren (Northern Illinois), Sonny Dykes (Louisiana Tech), June Jones (SMU) and a few others may draw some interest.

And then you have all kinds of other names that have been kicked around, some with at least a little merit and others with absolutely none: Fulmer, Fitzgerald, Barnett, Christensen, Mason, Smart, Shannon, Calhoun, Davis, Jones, Jones, Dimel.... The list goes on and on...

Some of those are worth checking into and others are worth adding to the scrap pile. After that, we’re stretching quite a bit, but that, too, has been done before. And at places far more impressive than Kansas.

Take Auburn, for example. After forcing Tommy Tuberville out of town at the end of 2008, the Tigers replaced him with a man named Gene Chizik, who, in two years at Iowa State, had racked up an unimpressive 5-19 mark. Lo and behold, two years later, Chizik and the Tigers won the national championship.

I’m not saying that’s going to happen at Kansas — I repeat, I'm NOT saying it's going to happen — but, remember, Zenger is looking for the guy he deems to be the best fit for KU. That might not be the most impressive name or even one you’ve ever heard of. In case it’s not, and in case that’s the route he goes, here are four names that fit the bill.

• Jeff Monken - 44 - Georgia Southern head coach who is 19-7 during his two seasons in charge. Key player in helping Paul Johnson develop a prolific rushing offense at Georgia Tech. Once interviewed with Zenger for the Illinois State job.

Pregame speech during first season at Georgia Southern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25gUbngnkuI

• Justin Fuente - 35 - Co-offensive coordinator at TCU, now in his 5th season with the Horned Frogs. Before TCU, Fuente spent six seasons as the quarterbacks coach at Illinois State, the final two of which came while Zenger was the school’s athletic director.

Interview during week leading up to the Rose Bowl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od6ZEFBE0YU

• Paul Chryst - 46 - Offensive coordinator at Wisconsin, now in his sixth consecutive season with the Badgers, is developing into a darkhorse candidate for some jobs out there. Has NFL experience as a tight ends coach and also worked at Oregon State. Told the Chicago Tribune this week that things had been quiet on his end regarding any coaching inquiries. Currently is prepping to take on Michigan State in this year's Big Ten championship game.

Local TV feature on Chryst and his offense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpM53cT9W2E

• Todd Monken - 45 - First-year Oklahoma State offensive coordinator who has experience in the Midwest, the NFL (Jacksonville) and at a big-time school like LSU has drawn some interest at a few schools during the early days of the searching. Withdrew his name from Tulane’s search and his ties to Jeff Monken (brother) could make him familiar with Zenger.

Interview after OSU’s 2011 spring game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diS7gm1MGDI

One more note of interest to kick off the day, reports late Wednesday night suggested that Texas A&M was inching toward getting rid of Mike Sherman. Some reports indicated that all that stood in the Aggies’ way was coming up with the cash to get rid of him.

If that’s the case, and if they find the money, Kansas fans — and everyone else for that matter — can say goodbye to their chances of landing Fedora.

Fedora grew up in College Station, Texas, was a successful high school coach in the state and now, with Leach off the board, is one of the hotter names out there.

Stay tuned...

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hawk_2011

I am very disappointed that we were not able to land Mike Leach. I think many KU fans regarded him as a home run hire. I think the things that made him so attractive to many are the following:

1. BCS school head coaching experience
2. Proven track record to winning, recruiting and coaching
3. High graduation rates for student/athletes

Is there anyone out there that can provide those three on items their resume that KU can hire? I think that most KU fans would be happy with the hire if the person was able to have those three items on the resume.

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sevenyearhawk

Stop right there, this is all you need to know ...

*** BCS school head coaching experience ***

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Gregor Southard

Not excited at this point.. Give the Phat Man a chance!

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chezlog

$2.4 M is all it took to get Leach. Could we not do better than that offer?
I've spent a lot of years watching KU struggle to produce a winning football program.
Many times when we've had a coach that got us winning he leaves for anouther job (eg. Rogers, Gottfried, and Mason.) Mangino wasn't going to leave but we fired him.
Too many of the prospects left on the list seem like people who will leave if they are successful here.
KU has been playing football for 120 years, I've been a fan for slightly less than half of that time. I will be dead if it takes as long to rebuild an Orange Bowl contending team as it did before.
Is there anyone other than our opponents that is enjoying our lack of success?
I believe Leach would have made us a contender for championships. If we don't expect to be contenders then we are resigning ourselves to be our oppenents "punching bags."
As Mark Mangino said in 2008 (when referring to how long it had been since KU football had been so successful) "Every team can have a bad century."
I'm afraid we'll all be dead before this bad century is over.

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actorman

Chezlog, perhaps Mangino made that comment about a "bad century" (although I don't recall it), but if so he stole it from Cubs fans, who have been saying that for a long time.

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flyingfinn

Normally I try to let things pan out and see what someone is made of, but I'm sorry, if KU doesn't get someone on their A-list then we might as well have let Gill stay. I mean Georgia Southern? Give me a break.

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Ron Prichard

How do you know who is on KU's A-list?

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texashawk10

Considering that coach at Georgia Southern helped develop the offense that ran for 600 yards on KU this season and if KU were to switch to a triple option offense, there's no way in hell Jordan Webb is still the QB and it would put 2 or 3 of KU's RB's on the field at the same time. Michael Cummings seems like a QB that would be capable of running a triple option so it may be possible to have some early success with it. It's also an offense that chews up clock and would keep the defense off the field which is a plus at this point. KU could do a lot worse than that at this point.

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Ben Kliewer

The sky is falling! We're all doomed!

idiots...

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AirCapJay

+1 (except for the derogatory reference).

If KU does not get a good coach to get our football team to a competitive standard, then in about 5 years, look to see KU in a non-BCS conference. This means millions of lost $.

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johnnyhrdwd

Venables won't interview until after the OU vs OSU game this weekend. Venables would be the best coach we can get with or without hc experience. He knows how to beat Kstate.

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manginodrh00lz

That's your qualification for a HC? You have failed this subject.

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Jayhawk444

I, for one, would not be pleased if we hired Venables. I can't really say why, though, other than every time I see him on the OU sidelines on TV he is popping a vein yelling at somebody. Quite a temper on that one, perhaps? I know that's not a lot to base an opinion on, and if we did hire him I would hope to hell I was wrong about him, but right now that *is* my opinion - well grounded or not.

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Robert Brock

I like coaches who have tempers. This is not cross country.

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ChesterCopperpot

+1

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Nick Cole

He!!, even the good x-c coaches have bad tempers. I would know.

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DueFan

Current list coming down to earth?

Don't get everyone's hopes up, Matt. Don't let homerism blind you from the fact that we are not the best opening. We are way down the list.

Leach wasn't coming here yet you pegged him as number one.

The same applies to the other big names.

We are getting a relatively unknown coach with potential.

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KUAlum2000

Agreed that we are not the best opening, but how is WSU viewed as better? Leach went there...

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Tim Quest

Because WSU bent over for Leach, telling him he could keep his lawsuits going against ESPN, NCAA, and TTU. They basically gave him the keys to everything there. Additionally, tucked away in a backwater like Pullman, he will never have to answer to critical media or fans. Most major universities are skittish about making the football coach the unquestioned king from Day 1. Whether that's right or wrong, I don't know. But WSU just made Leach the unquestioned ruler of the school, and KU wasn't willing to do that. That was the difference.

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Ron Prichard

First of all, you are right that WSU made Leach the unquestioned ruler of the school. However, we have no idea what KU was willing to offer and even if they had Leach as their first choice. People look at this with myopic vision. Ask why Leach didn't consider Miss St., Illinois, etc., in addition to KU. Could there be more to the lawsuits that we--as simple fans--don't realize? Leach took what most consider to be the worst of the head coach openings and did it within 24 hours of them firing their coach. This is a coach that is a also an attorney and would have undoubtedly vetted his contract thoroughly before signing. Either something was set up well in advance or there is much more going on here than most of us realize. I tend to think a little of both. Either way, contrary to popular belief, the sky is not falling.

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actorman

Well said, raprichard. It never ceases to amaze me how many people act like they're in the inner sanctum of Zenger's circle and talk about what's happening as if they're privy to everything that's going on. I would love to have the x-ray vision that so many others seem to have.

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actorman

Are you honestly ripping Matt for his reporting??? Please don't insult the best reporter at the LJW. We're blessed to have him giving us the scoop on what's going on, and he's a hell of a lot more informed than all the "reporters" posting here.

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Mandie Eutsler

+1!
besides, he's going to get us that percentage wheel! I think he's done a fine job, and KU isn't exactly forthcoming with information...

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irvan moore

the coach needs to come off the A list and they need to get a coach hired, why do we want to strike leavitt, tressel and stoops from the list? hire venables and let him coach saturday and announce sunday.

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Stephen Johnson

I hope we find a way to keep Reggie Mitchell on board.

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manginodrh00lz

Agreed.

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KUAlum2000

Keep in mind that Reggie Mitchell has worked on two different staffs at KU. Terry Allen and now Turner Gill's. He's got his head on straight for recruiting and is committed to holding down the fort, but those are two big strikes if you ask me.

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Michael Maris

KUAlum2000, Reggie Mitchell was NOT on the Terry Allen staff. He was on Glen Mason's staff. He left with Mason when Mason took the Minnesota job.

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Stephen Johnson

I hope we find a way to keep Reggie Mitchell on board.

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Michael Maris

Matt, that is good information to know about Larry Fedora. I guess Southern Miss. AD made that statement the other day to announce to the bloodhounds schools that Southern Miss. is going to do what they can to keep Fedora away from the bloodhounds except aTm. So, Ole Miss and possibly Mississippi State are in dog fight for Fedora.

Interesting thing that I seen yesterday, Houston Nutt is listed as a candidate for the U. of Memphis job. Nutt might just be the right type of coach for Memphis to have. Won't be alot of pressure on him (like he had a Ole Miss) to be successful.

Nutt did really great with the recruits that were left by Ed Orgeron. But, once Nutt had to use his own recruits. Then, that is when the tide started drifting out of Oxford for Nutt. So, glad that Houston Nutt didn't get the job at KU (back when T. Gill was hired, even though that hire didn't work for KU in the end either).

I've always said, that if you are a damn good X's & O's guy, you better hire a damn good recruiting coach for your staff. Just look at guys like Ed Orgeron, Trooper Taylor and even Reggie Mitchell.

Quality Programs need those kind of assistant coaches on the staff in order to keep bringing in quality athletes (even if they are not 5 star players).

Keep up the good work Matt.

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ahpersecoachingexperience

"beat fit" =take a shot! I'm sorry but the best fit is the guy that would of put butts in the seats. And we just let him walk away.

Now we are going to have to give Gil 6 mill to walk away and a head coach 2mill per year to rebuild over the next 3 years. Average of 4 mill a year.

Screw leach, with this kind of money we could of hired freaking Bob Stoops, Les Miles, or name what ever coach you want instead of Gill in the first place.

This is 9 million dollars in wasted coaches salaries. Remember this the next time you get a call from the AD's office asking for a donation. Or think it's no big deal to give $100 just to be able to purchase season tickets. Oh, and I wonder what HCBS thinks he could of done with that amount of money!?!

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John Beck

SZ did not "let him walk away" The Pirate went where he could keep all three lawsuits going, and win with a 5-7 team with 2 decent QB', settle the legal issues and spring to a big time job on the stellar WSU W-L record in a pussy conference.

We were going to have to rebuild regardless of Leach or any other new HC. Leach was NOT going to get 8-10 wins with this roster year one.

Woulda coulda shoulda on Gill and the $. Keep bashing Lew, he deserves it!

Support KU!!!!!

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Brak

What is a "beat fit"? You put it in quotes so it must be important. I would assume that it is a typo and you meant to write "best fit" but you always call people out doing stuff like that so I must be wrong.

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FinalFinal

SZ is yet another ego driven, overpaid administrator. Just like Lew.

Ego makes a production out of it. KU needs an AD like the one at WSU. Identify the hitter and sign him.

Take a month SZ. My checkbook is gone - again. It was out and ready for Leach.

KU Athletics are pathetic.

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AirCapJay

I tend to agree. If Leach was a candidate for the job, to let Leach get away borders on incompetence. An AD's most important job is to hire a coach. And you want to get it right because you may only have one chance. I like what the WSU AD said about running with the big dogs. That's the kind of talk I want to hear from Zenger. We run with the big dogs in basketball, why not in football too.

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Jeff Coffman

One technical change is we are the Big Dog in Basketball.

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actorman

Yet another person commenting on Zenger as if he knows exactly what happening. Can you list one SHRED of evidence to indicate that SZ is ego driven???

I have a novel concept for you: why don't you see who KU actually HIRES before deciding that SZ is the most incompetent, egotistical AD in sports history???

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John Mueller

I am stunned that so many are down about not landing Leach.

I think the guy is a complete loose cannon, primadonna. No defense.

I don't understand the Leach or doomsday mentality at all. Frankly, he is a bit of a circus act.

My top three now that Dan Mullen appears to be off the list:
1. Kevin Sumlin 2. Brent Venables 3. Larry Fedora

My B list would be: Mark Stoops, Troy Calhoun and Pat Fitzgerald

btw, several comments about Sumlin's lack of interest in Kansas job. How do we know that? That is coming from the same rumor mill that said we had a handshake deal with Leach. No creditablity in that information until we hear Kevin Sumlin say that out loud.

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Ron Prichard

springtxhawk, I'm sorry, but there's no room for rational thought on this board. I'm going to have to ask you to leave. The sky is obviously falling, SZ is a complete turd as AD, and we're going to be kicked out of the Big XII and have to play in the MVC next year. Oh, did I mention Self can't recruit anymore? Seriously, when are you going to come around?

Just to make it perfectly clear how I feel in case some don't understand sarcasm, or as jaybate would say, no malice intended... +1.

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actorman

Raprichard, I'll have to echo your comments and ask you to leave as well. You have way too many rational comments on here.

I think ampthatman (nice handle, BTW) hit the nail on the head: people are just looking for something to complain about.

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Ron Prichard

If we start kicking all the sane people off the board, the only posters left will be apherse and manginorh00lz. At least it would be somewhat humorous.

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ampthatman

Springtxhawk, what you seem to not understand is how much these people LOVE to have something to gripe about.

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MorganR

I agree with you about Mr. Leach being “a loose cannon.” In this regard, I continue to be troubled by the legal issues that are not yet resolved regarding Mr. Leach's mistreatment of one or more players.

The following is a recent statement from President Erickson of Penn State regarding their search for a new head football coach: "As we go out to search for a head football coach, one of the first and foremost criteria is how that person would fit into the value system of Penn State, which clearly has to be honesty, integrity and commitment to excellence in academics." I understand the desire to win but I hope KU emphasizes honesty, integrity, and commitment to excellence in academics.

I urge my fellow Jayhawks to be considerate in their commentary of KU’s Athletic Director and Administration. It is inappropriate for those of us that are not privy to the efforts to find a new head coach to impugn the capabilities and motivations of those that have the responsibility of hiring a new coach.

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Jeffery Barrett

Thank you, springtxhawk!

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John Mueller

FinalFinal - love the name btw.

But, with all due respect, if you are posting on this site, dude, you don't have a checkbook.

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actorman

LOL!

(I have a checkbook, BTW. I just don't have anything to write in it.)

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Kent Wells

I do all of my banking electronically. I don't even know where my checkbook is - hell, I could be funding that airplane/consultant right now. OMG !!! Must find my freaking checkbook

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Haiku_Cuckoo

KU is almost certainly at the bottom of every potential candidate's list due to the fact that he will only get two years to rebuild the program or get fired. There's a huge red flag flying over the university right now.

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squawkhawk

I agree. The Mangino fiasco and now the Gill experiment will cause many good coaches to take a step back from the KU job. From the outside looking in it is probably not a very desirable job for any top name coach as it would be a huge risk. Similarly, it could also be a big risk and career buster for any assistant coach or coordinator to come in to. Once you take the rose colored glasses off, there really isn't much here for any good coach to get too excited about.

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average

I don't think our expectations are unreasonable. You get two years to make KU not the worst team in AQ-ball two more years in a row. Not talking bowls. Not talking winning seasons. We're talking 'not at serious risk of losing our FCS game'. We're talking 'still at the bottom of the Big 12, but not measurably worse than Vandy or Duke' One conference win this year and Gill would still be here.

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actorman

To quote Ronald Reagan (and I'm shaking as I type that), "There you go again." Yet another person claiming that firing Gill is a red flag.

You are right in one way, Haiku: it is a red flag for all incompetent, way-over-their head coaches that would otherwise consider coming to KU. Such a shame.

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MorganR

I agree!

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MorganR

My agreement was with the comments made by Haiku_Cuckoo and Squakhawk.

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KSAuburnFan

Many are thinking "Why didn't KU Get Leach? Why didn't KU offer him enough money or whatever?" Maybe Dr. Zenger offered him everything but the keys to the Chancellors Mansion and Leach said no. Maybe he saw that it would be easier to turn a program around at Pullman Washington playing teams like Utah, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Washington, Oregon St rather than at KU playing teams like K-State, Texas, OU, OSU, West Virginia, TCU. Maybe he didn't want to coach in the shadow of Bill Self and Allen Field House. He goes to Washington State, wins anywhere from 5 to 7 games and he is the mayor of Pullman, he goes to KU and wins 5 to 7 games, and KU "fans" will wonder why he didn't win 8, and ignore what he is doing because as always there is Basketball Season.

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Mandie Eutsler

I disagree. All KU fans want is a bowl game. The stadium is pretty full during a 7-5 season. We had a coach that got us to 3 in row and people were going crazy on Saturdays. The stadium abruptly emptied after a loss to North Dakota State.

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David Atchley

Matt:

The most startling of all statements in your latest update is a coach that "wasn't" hired for the premiere coaching job at the football powerhouse "Illinois State" and coming from a school more more remote than the University of Buffalo, "Georgia Southern" is worthy of being mentioned.

This is precisely the point made a year ago when this keystone cops of a "Search Committee" set their laser on snatching a "Missouri Valley Conference Athletic Director." Zenger in-time may prove to be a good selection. However, what Kansas does NOT need is relying on Zenger's "coaching" contacts from his time at Illinois State to fill this job! Zenger needs help with the strategic planning and hiring to get this choice correct.

If the culture and football program is going to make the wholesale change to compete in its Conference, it has to take a similar approach as the teams that are elite in its own Conference. Do you think the OU, Okla State, Texas, would remotely consider a coach from Northern Illinois or Georgia Southern?

I have beat this drum all season, "In order to be the best, you have to hire the best." If you can't hire away a top name for head coach or athletic director from a "football program" in a major conference, then you put your cross hairs on their staff. You have to bring in personnel that have the experience in the arena...on a large scale, seeing a football "program" operate on that level.

It is absolutely critical that whoever is hired, has deep-rooted high school coaching ties and relationships in Texas. That is the State where there's 400 Division 1 high school football players each year, and convincing their families to come to Kansas and play in the same Conference as all their friends, and see their son play a lot of his away games in Texas, and see his games on the regional telecasts, is a realistic pitch when sitting in a recruit's family room.

Kansas doesn't have the luxury of time to bring someone from another part of the country, with no coaching pipeline in this part of the Country. That experiment just failed with Gill.

As Elliott Gould's character "Reuben" said to George Clooney aka "Danny Ocean" in the movie "Ocean's 11" If you're gonna make a hit....you gotta know! To which Danny Ocean replied "that's why we're gonna be very careful and very precise."

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rob4lb

I agree with your assessment that the next coach needs to have Texas ties. We need to get a grasp of reality and realize that KU football is not OU, OSU or Texas and we will have to hire someone who is either a coordinator at a major program or a coach at a non AQ school. That means candidates like Sonny Dykes or Larry Fedora would be worthy of consideration.

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David Atchley

I saw your suggestion on Dykes yesterday and I totally agree he has the elements necessary to begin the process of Kansas catching up to the other members in its Conference. Fedora is an Aggie...and all that implies....and I think he's biding his time waiting for A&M to get their SEC TV money, to part ways with the "Sherminator" and hire him.

If I have a top "5" list of candidates... four of those names would include Dykes, Chad Morris at Clemson and Bobby Jack Wright at OU and a name that isn't on anyone's radar, that would I believe have the same impact on a program as Mack Brown did when he originally came to Texas...is his former OC "Greg Davis." You'll see me suggest him below....

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actorman

"Kansas doesn't have the luxury of time to bring someone from another part of the country, with no coaching pipeline in this part of the Country. That experiment just failed with Gill."

You make some good points. However, you seem to be forgetting that when Gill was hired, we were told that he had all kinds of recruiting ties in Texas. So I don't think it's accurate to say that he had "no coaching pipeline in this part of the Country."

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sevenyearhawk

Mr. Tait,

could you look into anything with Frank Solich?

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rob4lb

He's 67 years old.

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BarkingHawk

I wanted Mike Leach. Period.

But, since the discussions started weeks ago (if not longer) about replacing Turner Gill, and definitely when serious evaluation of candidates began late Sunday afternoon after the firing, the single factor that I could not dismiss were Leach's two ongoing lawsuits.

These were not ordinary lawsuits. These were lawsuits against (1) a fellow conference member at a time of tenuous conference allignment and (2) the leading, most powerful and omnipresent programmer of collegiate sports.

Hiring Texas Tech would have to incense powers in Texas, ones that we are dependent upon, like it or not, for much of our existence as a BCS-level player in these times. That extends beyond Texas Tech to the system itself, including Texas. Smart move?

Suing ESPN, a rather vindictive group by various accounts (including Mike Leach's himself), potentially could jeopardize appearances of, yes, our shining beacon of a basketball program on Big Mondays, Saturday Game Days, etc., etc., etc. Those appearances are gold for Bill Self and KU, and nothing says that we get the appearances at the level we have enjoyed over the years. Not that we won't be on, but the frequency, which KSU, MU and others in the conference have complained about for years, could be reduced by the good folks in Bristol as a token of their thanks for bringing Mr. Leach aboard. (And, the last I heard was that the Longhorn Network is also an ESPN and Texas collaboration.) Smart move?

Let's face it. Mike Leach is and always was a risky hire for the well-being of Kansas and any competent, observant and savvy Chancellor and AD would have to think long and hard about whether we ever could have brought the Pirate aboard without endangering the entire ship going forward. And, remember, I wanted Mike Leach as much as anybody for all the reasons that everybody did.

We pay our leaders to sit back and take a detached, considered position. The fact that we didn't land Leach could well be that we never could, or even should, seriously try - at least so long as the lawsuits were pending against who they were. Unlike the portrayals made by some notably anti-KU radio and press commentators, not 'being able" to hire Leach is hardly a reflection of the quality of the KU job.

It may be the smartest thing we never did.

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TKHAWK

Agreed!

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Ron Prichard

Amen!! I'm not anti-Leach, and I was kind of hoping we would get him, but I definitely see reasons we might not have wanted him and maybe didn't try. I'm guessing SZ had talks with his agent and it became apparent the lawsuits, etc, would be an issue. I would bet other ADs had the same concerns, which is why Leach chose WSU within 24 hours of the job becoming available and for less than he could have made elsewhere, including KU.

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actorman

You know, I've always been of the opinion that the lawsuit factor was not an issue, but you've changed my mind BarkingHawk -- GREAT handle, BTW.

I think your point about the vindictiveness and power of ESPN is especially valid. And that could well be the main reason that Leach isn't coming to KU. It's a real shame, too, because it would have been so exciting for KU to get him. But the fact that he chose to go to Obscuria -- er, Pullman does say a lot about his situation.

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Sam Constance

Well written.

I was/am still a Leach fan. I'm disappointed that also-ran Washington State got him, but mainly because of all the fodder it has given the ignorant masses to talk about how Zenger's extreme "incompetence".

That being said, my one source of concern with Leach was the lawsuit with ESPN. Not his quirkyness. Not his offense-first mentality, not the risk of his moving up the ladder upon finding some success at KU. ESPN, if nothing else, has shown that their Ombudsman is nothing more than a role for PR damage control. Not anyone who actually holds the organization accountable for journalistic integrity.

The way they allowed employee Craig James to have a bully pulpit with his 2-3 minute, uninterrupted editorial "report" on Mike Leach's "player abuse" that involved his own son is still baffling to me. It's clear that the decision-makers at ESPN think they are above any sense of professionalism. Even yesterday, they were perhaps the last to break the Leach to WSU story, and when they did finally post about it, they couldn't be bothered to credit a national sportswriter with breaking the story, instead referring to the source as "sources". Interestingly, said national sportswriter (Bruce Feldman) was the author of Leach's tell-all book.

Clearly, ESPN is not above petty and vindictive behavior, the same way they were happy to forego any professional integrity when the Tech story first broke. If they are willing to so blatantly disregard basic journalistic standards, then what assurance would KU have that they wouldn't blackball KU for television appearances and other matters into which ESPN has influence? None.

I was willing to ignore this, because I thought for whatever baggage Leach would bring, he would get the fanbase excited (clearly a dire need, judging by the message boards the last couple days) and he would get us to a point where we could hire a more stable, less controversialt coach on the back of Leach's presumed success, rather than on the back of a mess, like we've had to do for the last 3 coaches.

The more I think about it though, I feel like this was probably a positive development in the long run. Zenger is still the right guy to make this hire and a good fit for the KUAD position. I'm just a little apprehensive, because I was a little excited to see who we would come up with to succeed Mangino, and was disappointed in Gill, in spite of my best attempts to get excited.

As long as Zenger is leading this search and sticking to his mums-the-word approach, I am a happy Jayhawk.

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rob4lb

I still wonder if the law suit with ESPN and Tech was a factor in KU not being able to hire Mike Leach. Think about it. KU has a strong partnership with ESPN. They pay us about $6M per year (that we don't share) to broadcast basketball games. ESPN/ABC holds 1st tier media rights with the Big 12. It's possible that was all a factor in KU not landing Mike Leach.

Washington State has new money with the recently negotiated media deals in the Pac-12 which is primarily with FOX and not ESPN. It is also probably easier to win at Washington State than at KU because the conference is weaker. There is no easy out in the Big 12. The Pac 12 has Oregon State, Washington, the Arizona schools, Colorado, UCLA and Utah. All of winnable games. The only powers are Oregon and USC. We'll how good Stanford is after Andrew Luck leaves.

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karken1992

I think this is a lot of it. Not saying that Leach would have come here but I feel ESPN is stronger in the sport world than we would like to think. (there has already been rumors that they had a big hand in the conference realignment)

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Robert Brock

Sorry that the Hawks missed out on the Leach sweepstakes but KU might consider hiring a coach who will give some concentration to repairing and rebuilding the worst defense in BCS football. I'm not certain that Leach would have been that guy.

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thanksforcoming

Since we know nothing and everyone is just throwing out names, here is a grand slam if Mike Leach was the homerun.....Bill Cowher.

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Marc Frey

I do hope that we get a great new HC, but the reality is that there are better football programs in need of a HC, and we are down on the list.

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thanksforcoming

Agreed. I'm not sure I like the risk AD Zenger took by firing Gill. I'm sure he was under alot of pressure from alot of people with alot of money. As a first year AD I think he had too do it, which meant that he had to listen to alot of people who don't know anything about football. I wish he would have stood up to them and said Gill is our coach, obviously that didn't happen and now we just ahve to wait and see. I predicted at a tailgate that if they fired Turner it would set us back further as a football program.

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Lance Cheney

Not sure if we've been "set back as a football program" yet. We'll have to wait until next year to find that out. It's still football season at other schools right now. And I don't think we could really get set back any more than what we already are.

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actorman

Exactly what "risk" are you referring to, thanksforcoming -- that he couldn't find someone else who would make KU a national embarrassment???

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Stan Crown

For those of you saying the new coach will have only two years to rebuild the program, er. . .no. But the coach will have to demonstrate a PLAN to rebuild the program, and in two years show that he's sticking to it and that it's making progress. Needs to tell everyone what the scheme is, why it's going to make KU better. Needs to show how this recruit for this position is going to upgrade that position. I bet Bill Snyder has a 30-minute lecture on this ready to go at all times.
As should be clear from the management of this year's Missouri game, Gill, bless him, was flying by the seat of his pants. If he had a plan at all, it sure wasn't making progress.
So, in my mind, the best candidate will be the one who A) wants to come to KU, and B) can demonstrate he will use a rebuilding plan with a good track record of success, and C) shows enthusiasm for carrying out that plan.
I'm not sure I really care who it is.

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David Atchley

Leach was NEVER coming to Kansas, not with all the other coaching vacancies available. Leach loved being at Texas Tech...if you've ever been to Lubbock, you know how desolate and remote it is...makes Manhattan Kansas look like a nice place to live! Leach is from that part of the world... received a law degree on the left coast at Pepperdine, and Pullman Washington is the "Lubbock" of the Pacific Northwest! His base salary at Washington State is reportedly $2.5M a year.

You want a name....here's a name "Chad Morris" as someone that should be on Zenger's list....Several Texas High School State Football Championships as a head football coach, used to coach at Todd Reesing's high school alma mater, before being hired by Tulsa as their OC....he completely turned that program around.

To the point, Coach Morris was hired away by Clemson last year and....oh by the way....has Clemson at 9-3 this season and playing for the ACC Championship!!!

Reesing will tell you....and every high school coach in Texas...that Chad Morris can recruit the socks off anyone....and charm any mother in letting her baby boy play for him. His players will run through a wall for him...and those of you thinking the Kansas solution is a "defensive oriented" coach.....the solution is getting someone who's a player's coach, with a deep-rooted pipeline of recruiting in Texas....that is a "rising" star in the coaching ranks.

You need players and depth of talent at each position to compete against the likes of Texas...and you need a coach that player's will come to Kansas and run through walls for him....Morris is a guy that will make the Jayhawk Nation proud.

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TKHAWK

I 100% agree. That is exactly the kind of coach Kansas needs.

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Jeff Coffman

Now you are talking. That is a name I can get behind.

Do you know how much Clemson is paying him? Would he be an option?

If he wanted to come back home, he might take a comparable pay.

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Jeff Coffman

A second thought. I wonder how much his buyout of his contract would be at Clemson...We might not be able to afford that payment.

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David Atchley

Coach Morris as the OC at Clemson, is reportedly being paid $450K a year and is in year 1 of a 4 year contract. I am sure with the transformation of the Clemson offense and the immediate restoration of their program, Morris will get a well-earned bonus if not a renegoitated contract.

Morris was in the mix for the OC job at Texas, and they hired Harsin out of Boise State. Many of the Longhorn faithful aren't enamored with that decision.

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thanksforcoming

I could live with this as well. Nice work!

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actorman

Sounds like he might be a good fit.

I would also add that for those who keep saying we can't hire an offensive-minded coach, why is it so inconceivable that a coach who focuses on offense would bring in a great defensive coordinator? I've never gotten why people feel like we can only be good in one area or the other.

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Ron Prichard

Agreed. Look at Texas. They are supposed to be an offensive minded team, but their defense was lights out at times. Same for OU. Remember how many people were impressed with their D at the beginning of the year? They manhandled FSU, which at the time was a top 10 team, among others. I think they had some fairly significant injuries, and this is not a plug for Venables, but it can certainly be done. LSU? Even--and I can't believe I am saying this--Missouri a couple of years ago.

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Brak

I completely agree with you and I think Chad Morris would be a great fit at KU. However it will probably never happen because we just got done with a "players" coach so based on the KU football coaching cylcle they must hire a hot head to belittle the players.

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TKHAWK

I certainly agree that the Leach issue is disapponting. He was a home run name, that would get recruits and sell tickets and these things usually lead to success. It feels a little bit like when we thought there was a chance of getting Harbaugh after Mangino, and then you get reminded, its Kansas Football, not LSU (or insert big name here) football.

Having said that, I still believe it will work out for the best. We may all dream that had Leach come, we'd be competing for the Big 12 and National prominence in just a couple years, but the reality is, he does come with a lot of baggage, and it is just as possible his hiring could have hurt KU as much as helped. Quite frankly, if I were Leach, he made the right decision. I'd rather return to the PAC 12 than the Big XII given my pending legal issues.

For some reason, I still hold a lot of respect for Zenger, and I REALLY believe that after losing Mangino, which maybe only 50% of fans wanted to happen, and now losing Gill, which at least 80% of fans wanted. We are going to get it right. And like Matt said, it may not be a sexy name, but it will be a solid name. There are some great names on that last! Personally, I get more excited about those with offensive history rather than defensive (with the exception of Venrables, he's a stud!), because lets face it, defense may win championships in the NFL, but in the middle of the pack Big XII, teams like TT and BU make waves and pull off upsets because they can score.

Support Zenger, support the process, buy season tickets, support the team. These things usually lead to success.

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justanotherfan

Everybody needs to calm down about not getting Leach. I think hiring Leach here at KU would have bordered on insane.

Yes, Mike Leach is a good football coach. He runs a great offense and found a way to win at an off the beaten path program. But Mike Leach has issues. First, his whole pirate schtick at Texas Tech. Second, he is currently SUING both Texas Tech and ESPN as has been mentioned before.

For those of you still bemoaning not hiring Leach, let me say that one more time. Mike Leach is currently engaged in a lawsuit against Texas Tech (only a conference member that is helping keep the Big XII together) and ESPN (the television giant that doles out a large amount of the revenue that makes conferences work). Hiring Leach (and those lawsuits) could crush KU both in the conference as far as relations with Tech (and possibly UT) and ESPN. It could grease the skids for KU to land itself in the Mountain West.

Leach may have been popular among the fan base, but I for one am glad that he is off the board. We don't want Leavitt. We don't want Mangino back. It's time for someone new. I don't know who that will be, but I am glad it won't be the Pirate.

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Bruce Johnston

Amen! I don't think Leach would've been a good fit here anyway, notwithstanding the lawsuits posing problems. I trust Zenger, with his strong football background, to find the right fit for the long haul.

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Bleufer

Matt, you mentioned the job announcement from UNC yesterday, here's something from the U of I today...

http://www.fightingillini.com/blog/20...

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TKHAWK

WSU is a great fit for a pirate! Now he can plunder the Pacific Coast!!! RRRRRRRR

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JayDocMD

Venables:
I have some OU friends who are not happy with Venables and view him as the weak link right now on their staff - perhaps their opinions are clouding my own, but I am not excited about the prospect of Venables as HC.

Fedora:
I would have been happy with Fedora, but now see that as a longshot with Matt's info re:A&M. Even if they keep Sherman this year, if I'm Fedora I bide my time at S Miss until A&M does come open.

Mark Stoops:
I just don't see this happening for several reasons. I think brother Bob is still pissed about how KU jobbed Mangino and will advise against it. Not sure brother wants to recruit against brother (stop laughing - it COULD happen) or play brother yearly. Something tells me he'll stay ACC or go SEC.

Doeren:
I can't believe we are even discussing this guy. He lost to Gill. There is no way to sell that to fans/boosters - he would have 2 strikes against him from the beginning. He would create zero excitement and not fill seats.

June Jones:
The only reason he would leave Dallas would be if he wants a BCS job, although SMU to Big East is supposedly happening. Otherwise he gets paid very well at a place with low expectations in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. So I don't think he's going anywhere. He might view KU as his next challenge as he does seem to like to move on to new challenges. This history of the wandering eye, along with his age, is a reason not to go this route.

Sonny Dykes:
Some of the same problems as Doeren - wouldn't be as bad of a hire, but it is a risky one and would be met with a collective raise of the eyebrows by most.

Fulmer, Barnett, Mason, Solich:
Should not even be considered - retreads that are not the long term answer.

Fitzgerald:
Not sure he's interested as he is at home at Northwestern. But if we are looking for a young, energetic coach with BCS HC experience and who has proven to be competitive at a place that is hard to succeed, I think this is our guy. He currently makes less than 1 million a year so the price might be right. As I mentioned in an earlier post, he has no TX recruiting in roads, but that could be fixed by the right Asst coaches.

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JayDocMD

correction: looks like Fitzgerald makes just above 1 million per year, which is still pretty low comparable to other BCS coaches with frequent bowl appearances.

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JayDocMD

Losing to Gill is just one aspect of what makes him unappealing. As mentioned, his hiring would not elicit excitement for fans or boosters and KU would struggle to fill seats.

He has no BCS head coaching experience - for that matter he's only been at N. Ill since December 2010. So less than two years of ANY head coaching experience, and a mid-major school at that.

He may have all the potential in the world and may, in fact, become a great HC. It just sounds an awful lot like Gill's resume before he was hired.

We can do better.

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ampthatman

Paul Johnson also lost to Gill. But I'd love to have him as our coach. If you don't want Doeren, fine. But the "Doeren lost to Gill" argument is ridiculous.

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actorman

+1000. He BARELY lost to Gill, on the road, with Northern Illinois, for crying out loud!

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JayDocMD

(sorry, posted reply in wrong place above.)

Losing to Gill is just one aspect of what makes him unappealing. As mentioned, his hiring would not elicit excitement for fans or boosters and KU would struggle to fill seats.

He has no BCS head coaching experience - for that matter he's only been at N. Ill since December 2010. So less than two years of ANY head coaching experience, and a mid-major school at that.

He may have all the potential in the world and may, in fact, become a great HC. It just sounds an awful lot like Gill's resume before he was hired.

We can do better.

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JayDocMD

* by BCS HC experience I mean in a BCS auto-qualifying league.

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ampthatman

I would tend to agree with most of what you said. Although I will add that Gill had no coordinating experience, whereas Doeren was the DC for a great Wisconsin defense. I find it odd that there is interest in Chryst based on his Wisconsin ties (even though nobody thinks of Wisconsin for their offense) and Doeren gets no love for what he did for their defense...and for Kansas' for that matter. However, all things considered Doeren is nowhere near my top choice. It remains to be seen whether we could do better. But I think we could do worse.

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Sam Constance

"I think brother Bob is still pissed about how KU jobbed Mangino and will advise against it."

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In fairness to KU, Bob should be pissed at former AD Perkins, of whom KU is a fellow victim with Mangino, not the school.

All the people who had clout in running Mangino out of town are gone. Absentee Chancellor Hemenway and Crooked AD Perkins.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I felt the Mangino firing was 100% owned by Lew Perkins, who wanted to remove a rival and bring in a "Perkins-friendly" head coach. I wasn't terribly distraught at the time, as I was a Mangino skeptic, but I still feel like he was given a raw deal.

I would hope that most coaches--and anyone influencing those coaches--would see that there is not a pattern of not giving coaches enough time at KU Football. More accurately, one AD was overzealous in his hiring and firing the last time around, and singlehandedly created a situation where KU was forced to fire Gill before the standard time allowance or risk the program being swallowed by the Earth.

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Douglas Creelman

Ok, not too upset Leach went to Wazu, not sure his show would have played as well the 2nd time around in the B12.
How in the heck does Pat Fitzgerald get linked to KU? Why would he leave his alma mater to come to KU? Didn't he just sign an extension last year? What is his connection to KU?

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d_prowess

Does anyone know what Coach Eric Taylor is doing right now?

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jlarance85

Nice.

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Mark Lindrud

Clear eyes, full hearts. CAN'T LOSE!

As far as candidates, I don't think Leach considered us and what is done is done.
Fedora and Stoops seem like the hot candidates along with Fitzgerald. Hope we are being aggressive in pursuing these guys so we can get this wrapped by next week. It would be fun to introduce a new coach for the KU-OSU game!

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jlcasey2

I don't know if this was posted anywhere already, but the university jet went to Chicago yesterday morning. It returned to Lawrence soon after and then went to Chicago late afternoon and returned once again. Just throwing out a possibility about the Northwestern coach.

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Aaron Clopton

Barnett went to the wrong school . . should never even be linked to our search.

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actorman

Not sure why you're against Fitzgerald, as he has done a great job at NW. But amen on Barnett. We talk about Leach's baggage, but Barnett has far more than Leach does.

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njayhawk

At $1.1M for PFitz & Alma mater . . . do the words Matt Painter mean anything to you?

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Jeff Coffman

Matt,
Excited about the Live Chat, but not sure if I'll be able to get out of a meeting to attend. I hope that will be available to read through after the fact.

It would be interesting, I know a % wheel might be premature; however, it seems like SZ gave out some criteria that he wanted in the next coach.

It might be interesting to see a list of names, with Yes, No, Kindof by the name and the criteria given. Just a thought.

Keep up the great work. Between conference realignment and coaching changeover, I haven't been so glued to what's going to happen next.

Thanks!

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Matt Tait

You should be able to read the archive on our site... Looks like there are a million questions, though, so it may still be going when you're done with your meeting!!!

I don't know how long we'll go and we probably won't be able to get every question answered, but I'll be there a while and we'll try.

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1jhawk2

Pat Fitzgerald, really? Why would he leave the stable Big 10 for the B12 or his alma mater for that matter? He makes $1.8 a year and has a 40-35 record overall. He has 3 bowls and maybe a 4th in his 6 years. He has 2 winning seasons in the conference at 5-3 each year, the rest are 3-5 with a 2-6 record in his first year. His conference record overall is 21-26 in 6 years. Of those 21 wins, he's beaten teams ranked in the B10 a few times. One of those losses is to MU in a bowl game 23-20. He's young, but I think this is similar to an MU basketball situation when they wanted Matt Painter to leave Purdue.

This is better than what we had the last couple of years, but we need someone who has taken a program from being nothing to being something. I think this officially makes it official that we are officially desperate.

Gary Barnett is old, but if he can turn this ship around in a pond I would take him right now. I heard the radio show and he has a proven track record as long as we don't have a female student who thinks she can kick. He said he is a program guy, not so much an X's O's guy. That's what assistants are for, but obviously he understands football enough to get wins. If he has the desire to coach for 10-15 years then bring him on.

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Matt Tait

Well said. He'll be tough to get and may be a long shot, but it's worth looking at him.

Better facilities/support here, more money (potentially) and less stringent academic restrictions. Not saying KU's a juco but Northwestern's basically Ivy League...

Just a couple of reasons. We'll see what happens.

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sevenyearhawk

Mason isn't as old as Barnett ... and don't forget about all the scandals at Colorado while he was there.

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actorman

That's an incredibly insensitive comment about the female kicker, considering that she said she had been raped by a teammate (or more than one, I can't remember the specifics now) and that Barnett made some incredibly offensive comments about it.

Whether or not she was telling the truth, Barnett's handling of the situation was truly appalling.

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texashawk10

There's a reason why nobody has seriously considered Gary Barnett since he left Colorado. Combine the female kicker claiming she was raped (I don't know what came of that investigation) along with the paying hookers to sleep with recruits on their visits and there's no way Barnett should be allowed near a head coaching office ever again.

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Sam Constance

Barnett, when asked about former kicker Katie Hnida's alleged rape, responded by talking about how bad a player she was.

Now, on the surface, I can see why people would think this is an insensitive, but fairly innocuous remark, but let's look at it a little deeper from a couple of points:

1) At the most basic level, he's discrediting a victim without any knowledge of the situation. Most best practices for dealing with sexual abuse and assault point to this as the absolute last thing one should do. A victim must feel safe to come forward, and clearly these comments only hint at an underlying attitude, given that Hnida at the time expressed concern about telling Coach Barnett because she was afraid of being kicked off the team. Clearly, his comments proved that those fears were well-founded.

2) How often do you hear coaches--in any context, but especially at the college level--call out a single player so blatantly to the media? I don't have any official statistics, but I think most reasonable people can agree that it's a rare thing. Coaches prefer to discipline in house, not blast a college kid in the media, where it can affect his/her confidence. Doing it in response to being asked about that player allegedly being raped is beyond unconscionable.

Throw in the fact that Barnett is old, that he is clearly desperate (that's how I would describe anyone who publicly declared a desire to coach football at Kansas), and he's a former MU guy. That's not to say that I'm opposed to hiring someone on the sole basis of their being associated with MU... just that if we are going to hire someone from MU, can we at least verify that he doesn't fit the stereotype? That he's a different kind of MU guy?

I'm sure there are lots of coaches out there who feel similarly about women, especially as it relates to having one on their football team. I just don't want one that has publicly removed all doubt about his chauvinist attitudes.

As an aside: it's funny to me how the "close to the vest" strategy that so many ill-tempered KU fans have criticized Zenger and BGL for over the past several months has so many obvious advantages and benefits in comparison to being open and forthcoming with the media.

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jaywalkinhawk

I am in the group of I am glad Coach Leach took the job in Washington. The lawsuit against Tech and ESPN spells trouble for KU and the conference. Yes it would have been great to have him at KU, but he is probably better off with a fresh start somewhere else.

I agree with Matt Tait, that KU is somewhere in the middle in terms of the job appeal at KU, but definitely not at the top. Need to be realistic in a good choice for a coach that will build the program and not bolt at the first chance they get when the grass gets greener. Probably going to be Pat Fitzgerald - he is a good coach, but not getting me very excited at KU football.

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Bruce Johnston

Leach wasn't a good fit here. I think he wanted out of the Big-12 anyway. Not a big loss. As Zenger has said, there are PLENTY of good candidates out there. No need to fret because someone is off the board. Finding the right fit is more important long-term. And it doesn't HAVE to be someone with head coaching experience. That being said, I'd love for Venables to be on the A list, but I'm willing to bet he will be Snyder's pick to replace him in the next few years at KSU. And I'm also willing to bet that Mack Brown will be forced out in the next few years, opening up yet another big time opportunity for these assistant coaches being mentioned. Zenger has an incredible football background, UNLIKE Perkins. I trust that we have the right person to find the right coach for the long haul. Let's be patient and let the process proceed. I think several years down the road, we will be rather happy with the choice.

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pepper_bar

The Northwestern job is probably better than the KU job right now. Fitzgerald would be a great get if KU can land him. I'm sure he'd require a Gill-esque 5+ year guarantee.

11 years ago

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cmhjayhawk

I heard Tressel might be interested in the Akron job. If so, KU should take a run at him. He would be great for KU.

11 years ago

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Jeff Coffman

He may have interviewed as a curtesy to his alma mater, but has since said he would help with the coaching search, but is not a candidate.

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jaybate

jaybate news service (jns):

Dateline: Zenger's Brain

Slug: What if I rehired Turner Gill and spent the $6 million instead on hiring Brent Venable and Jeff Monken as co-defensive coordinators for $2mil signing bonuses each, and hired Paul Chryst as offensive coordinator for a $2mil signing bonus?

jns stringers nano engineered into tiny journalists were sneaked into Sheahon Zenger's brain under the guise of a nasally administered flu shot, as jns attempts to break new ground in investigative sports journalism.

jns editor in chief, CEO, CFO, and counter public relations insurgent, jaybate "borrowed" the conceit for inveighling into Zenger's Brain from Michael Crichton's soon to be posthumously published novel "Micro," as well as from "Impossible Voyage" and the "J Peterman Christmas Catalogue."

jns stringers confirm that it is just now occurring to Sheahon Zenger that he could have hired all three of the leading head coaching candidates at once as assistants with mega signing bonuses for less than half the combined $6million buy out of Gill, plus the new multimillion dollar package anyone of of these HC candidates, plus their own assistants, will coast.

That's right...HALF!

And stringers report recent neural net burn patterns indicating Zenger is reputedly beginning to realize that the three top HC candidates brought in as Assistant Coaches with mega signing bonuses would each have delivered about 12 new top grade recruits to KU's football team, for a total of 36 new top grade recruits.

And stringers emphasize redundantly that it could all happen for half the price of firing Gill and hiring a single new HC with a new staff.

jns stringers, though highly unreliable and with nothing but fake online journalism degrees, report that Zenger's brain is contemplating the unthinkable. He is thinking about rehiring Gill to save the athletic department about half the cost of a new HC, while strengthening the talent pool on next years team to the point that it will be competing for a BCS bowl.

Developing...

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

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JayhawkParadise

Longtime follower of the Holy Grail, first time poster.

I've also been kicking the tires on the OC/DC issue (not to be confused with the raw energy of Malcolm and Angus), which seems so much more pertinent than the hire at HC.

Don't get me wrong: like Calipari in a confessional, I think Gill was in over his head. He needed to see the door and was not fit to oversee the Gridiron Hawks. But more than anything, we need coordinators focused on the Xs and Os IN ADDITION to an energetic and driven head coach to bring this program back to prominence (maybe relevance is the right word).

Coordinating a package of coordinators, whether accomplished by our new HC or enlisted by Zenger himself, should be a true focus. And fiscally speaking, Jaybate's plan (or an offshoot thereof) would have gone a long way in making that possible. What's done is done, but Zenger would be best afforded by focusing efforts on a combination of simultaneous hires... Here's to KU announcing Co-coaches Chad Morris at OC and Charlie Strong at DC.

(Note: 100% Jayhawk optimism.)

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justinryman

Big10 is going to be a very tough conference to win in.

Michigan is rising under Hoke. OSU has talent on the field and they now have a coach to go with it. Michigan St. is right up there and so is Wisconsin. Penn St. with the right coach will get back up, then there is Nebraska and Iowa. Sure Illinois, Northwestern aren't great but will cause a few upsets. Then you have Indiana, Purdue and Minnesota.

That could be the toughest conference to recruit in next year and win in it.

With that being said, I could see Fitz coming to the Big12 and trying to do something here.

And please no Barnett!!!!

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jay381

I read with interest your last 5 candidates: Jeff Monken, Fuente, Chryst, and Todd Monken. Just my thoughts on these 5

Fuente: He was the highest recruited throwing drop back quarterback coming out of Tulsa Union High School in OK. I lived in OK when the kid had the good sense to get out of OU during the reign of the corrupt, incompetent fool HC John Blake after Howard S was terminated. Look at Blake’s subsequent folly at UNC. He has coached under a successful head coach and the record at TCU speaks for itself. His HC (Patterson) was a KSU grad and I believe had a Snyder connection somewhere in the mix. OC at a program as successful as TCU has been and working with a totally respected HC certainly merits at least consideration. TCU has victories in BCS bowl games and against BCS competition. I would think he meets the outline of Zenger as experience as a coordinator in a successful program.

Chryst: The success of Wisconsin speaks for itself. I have never been impressed with the offense but again good experience working for a successful coach in a BCS conference. Admittedly I do not follow Bit 10 enough to make good evaluation.

Todd Monken: I really have a mixed reaction. OSU fans had a cardiac attach when the former OC (Dana Holgorson) took the HC job at W VA. However Monken may have just taken the OSU offense to a new level. However this is his first year. He inherited a wealth of talent including a 28 year old former professional player for quarterback and probably the most skilled set of receivers in the Big 12 (although OU might disagree). There is certainly nothing bad just a question as to experience.

Jeff Monken: I certainly hope not. That offense was old last century. Where the heck is GA Southern anyway?

Fitzgerald: Again Big 10. However, I think this was the alum that took over the program after something unexpected happened to the head coach. Would it be next to impossible to get him to leave NW where he was totally loved at least at that time to come to KU?

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rob4lb

I mentioned Barnett yesterday. I also thought his teams were very solid and I am sure he is missed at Colorado. He does have a track record and a name. He nearly play for a national championship at Colorado in 2001. That was the year Colorado pounded Nebraska and then beat Texas in the conference championship, but NU still goes to the BCS championship game.

I like Fitzgerald (I also went to school at Northwestern). He is an impressive guy. He did not build up the program. It was competitive when he took over for Randy Walker who tragically died. At Northwestern he was handcuffed a bit by academic requirements. I think the question is whether or not he is able to bring in the talent necessary to compete at Kansas. He probably doesn't have Texas ties, but he can bring in people who do. It is hard to tell if Fitzgerald would be a good fit.

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David Atchley

A name that is well under the radar, that has deep and successfully rooted relationships in Texas, was the "Broyles Award" winner in 2005 as the nation's top assistant coach, and oh by the way....was the OC on the 2005 National Championship Team, is "Greg Davis."

Coach Davis for where Kansas is right now, would be an excellent choice. He was with Mack Brown at Tulane and at North Carolina before coming to a Texas program that was every bit the hot mess that Kansas finds themselves in....

He resigned at Texas last year and has been mentioned in a lot of coaching vacancies over the past year. He is a man of high integrity and character and goes about the business of college football with those attributes. He's a man that parent's trust to take care of their son while at college.

Davis is a recruiter and has deep and well respected coaching relationships in the State of Texas. He has learned how to build a football "program" the right way and assisted Mack Brown and Deloss Dodds in building the program at Texas. His is a "who's who" list of recruits he has been responsible for playing for the Longhorns.

He's a smart guy, and could attract a very quality staff...and knows how to go about the business of recruiting players in Texas, and could actually go about the business of building a "program" for the Jayhawks.

If I have a short list of candidates, it includes Coach Davis, Coach Chad Morris at Clemson, Coach Bobby Jack Wright at OU, and Coach Dykes at Lousiana Tech. All share in having been high school coaches in Texas, that understand all aspects of recruiting in the State, speak the language, and selling families on letting their son play at Kansas. Most of all, all of these should be at a good value salary-wise.

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rob4lb

You don't want Greg Davis. Longhorn fans were trying to run him out of town for years. He finally resigned last year. He won the NC mainly because of the superhuman efforts of Vince Young. There was nothing creative about his offense.

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David Atchley

Davis fell on the proverbial sword and was a very good and loyal soldier for Brown, whether deserved or undeserved. I wouldn't be eager for him to be my OC...but as a Heach Coach....being the architect, and stabilizing influence and provide maturity and leadership....understanding all aspects needed and necessary to build a "program" and just not a winning season...I think he clearly is qualified.

My thoughts related to Coach Davis are from a stability and recruiting standpoint for Kansas. As a "Head Coach" I think he'd be a very smart choice.

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jaybate

It would be utterly hilarious if BGL and Zenger hired Paul Chryst from Wisconsin.

Turner Gill was a Nebraska programmer.

Former UW HC Barry Alvarez was a Nebraska programmer.

UW HC Brett Bielema is a Nebraska programmer.

Paul Chryst runs a Nebraska programmer offense.

Pay $6M to get rid of one Nebraska programmer, so he can be replaced with another Nebraska programmer.

Sure, makes sense to me! :-)

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AzNHawk

Makes sense to me too! lol! =) =)

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eddiesuttonschoolofdriving

Huh? Sorry, but this is not accurate.
Bielema never played or coached at Nebraska. He has Iowa and K-State connections before coaching at Wisconsin. Alvarez never ran a Nebraska style offense. Chryst played for the Badgers and never coached at Nebraska. I am a Badger fan as well as KU fan and have watched Chryst offenses for years. He runs a pro-style offense which is NOTHING like the offense Nebraska runs. He has no connection to Nebraska at all, other than the fact his AD played there.
As opposed to Gill, Chryst has a large body of work to evaluate - and it is substantial and successful. His offenses are prolific and balanced - not gimicky - and he puts lots of offensive players into the NFL. He would be a great hire, but I don't think he would come.

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jaybate

Oh for gosh sakes, Alvarez was recently interviewed and said he built the program exactly on the Devaney and Osborne's model and Bielema said he was using Alvarez's model.

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AzNHawk

Why yes! The Bob Devaney Tom Osborne effect! =) =) =)

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eddiesuttonschoolofdriving

Modeling your program after the way someone else runs their program is one thing.

BUT, "Paul Chryst runs a Nebraska programmer offense" is not correct. Chryst's offense is a pro style offense, something Nebraska did not run under Devaney, Osborne, Solich, Callahan or Pelini.

Alvarez never ran a Nebraska style offense as coach at Wisconsin either.

In fact, Turner GIll never even ran a Nebraska style offense at KU.

You might want to watch the two teams before saying something absurd. Then again, why start editing your posts now?

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peter56321

Fitzgerald is likely using KU's interest to negotiate a raise. We're not getting him.

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Al Martin

Fitz doesn't seem to be the type to play games with the Northwestern admin. I agree we're not getting him. My guess would be that he's not talking to us at all.

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Phoggin_Loud

Everyone seems to be throwing out every name possible. Here's one I haven't seen/heard yet (recently).

Jim Harbaugh.

Sounds crazy, but here's a few things to consider:

1.) Reports came out recently that he would have accepted the KU job last time if he would have been able to coach Stanford in their bowl game. He wasn't allowed so he didn't accept. Why did these reports just now come out?

2.) NFL is a different beast. He is winning at San Fran, but does he like it? He may not. Only he knows.

3.) His wife is from the area & her family is still here. (at least closer to KU than San Fran)

4.) The important facets of KU's program are taken care of for now (Hudy in the weight room, Mitchell et al are recruiting) He wouldn't necessarily have to be at KU until after the NFL season.

5.) He apparently was willing to leave Pac 12, West Coast, Respected Stanford for KU.

6.) Mike Leach quickly accepted the WSU job. Could he have possibly been informed by his friend, Zenger, that he wasn't a candidate? How can KU fire Mangino, then hire Leach a few years later? No to mention the strong basketball ties with ESPN. Leach really wasn't a good fit.

7.) Texas is down & OU is not typical OU.

8.) If Big XII implodes, Harbaugh would still have many coaching options. (This could scare off more than a few other coaches not named Harbaugh)

I'm not predicting it. He may not even want the job. However, he would make a larger splash nationally than Leach or any other candidate. It's not any more crazy than many of the names floating around and he just might like college more than pro.

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pepper_bar

Mike Ditka is available.

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Did you post this while riding a unicorn?

11 years ago

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Phoggin_Loud

Yes, and you were sitting on his horn. Schmuck.

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Brad Potter

That was literally the most ridiculous post ive read since the begining of the realighnment mess. I cant stop chuckling. Good work the level of delusion has reached a new low...

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SuperJayTNT

Not just riding a unicorn but riding a unicorn through a gumdrop forest where it rains beer and every woman looks like Marissa Miller! Congratulations on the single craziest thing I've read this week.

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doctorWho

If JH wants to leave the 9-2 49ers to come to KU - which he surely doesn't - then he is a complete dumb-ass and we don't want him.

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actorman

Wow. I mean ... wow. Words fail me.

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Ron Prichard

The splash that would make nationally would be so big they would have to refill the oceans. I'm all for thinking big, but even Chuck Norris couldn't convince Harbaugh to come to KU now, and everyone knows he can convince anyone of anything at anytime using any method he wants.

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Jabberhawky

That's it!

KU should hire CHUCK NORRIS as the new head FB coach.

Our players might still suck, but Coach could kick the livin' sh!t out of every team we faced.

11 years ago

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Sam Constance

The Most Interesting Man in the World thinks this is a far-fetched and fantastical idea.

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Jabberhawky

Yes, I do.

11 years ago

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Jeff Coffman

So you are saying there is a chance....that John Madden is coming to KU?

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ahpersecoachingexperience

This just in:

Fitzgerald just got a $700,000 raise and all he had to do was fly to lawrence for the day.

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justinryman

I could see Fedora or Venables being announced at KU come Sunday or even Monday after they get through their games this weekend. Would make sense as to why nothing has been done or said yet.

Sure that would open the door to other coaches as well, Sumlin for one, along with Chryst could be on that list too. And a lot more out there that still have games this weekend.

If it was to be Mark Stoops from FSU then why hasn't it been done yet? Their season was done last Saturday.

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Benjamin Piehler

A&M is wise not to fire their head coach heading into the SEC... can't enter a conference on the wrong foot, less you gain a reputation of losing among your new friends.

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Tony Bandle

Can we all take off the Crimson and Blue sunglasses and look at the facts:

1] Despite occasional blips of excellence, Kansas football has been and is consistently a second rate program.
2] Basketball was, is and always will be king.
3] Our stadium sucks.
4] The hurdles of making KU a viable, consistently competitve football program are daunting.
5] If the value of 100 is assigned to a national championship, Kansas is currently in the negative numbers.
6] We are tied to a conference with two giants who dictate the action.

I am just saying why would any of the names listed above want to come here compared to the other positions opening up??

God Almighty, I would love us to be relevant to college football again but I don't see it happening for a long, long time...if ever. Deal with it!!

Oh, by the way, Merry Christmas everybody.

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lama

Memorial Stadium doesn't "suck." It's been renovated, has a modern press box/suites etc., and is in a beautiful setting. It could be improved (dramatically) by removing the track (and building a separate track facility for the Relays). I think they have a plan in place, but need to raise the money. The remaining football facilities are first rate.

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SuperJayTNT

I hear this time and time again - the removal of the track. In fact, I've never talked to a single person from KU who's in favor of keeping the track. Money aside, is there any reason this hasn't been done yet?

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doctorWho

Yes. The powers that be (i.e. deep pockets alumni) have not decided it is a priority yet . . .

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TKHAWK

I agree, we are not the only school in the country with a track around our field, but its obvious on TV, "football schools" don't have tracks around their field. On the plus side, track is very much a part of KU history and there is nothing better on campus than looking up at the Campanile on the hill, so from that point, I feel the track does lend some character to our stadium. Here are a couple of fixes that that would make our stadium look so much better on TV and much less cheap and dated: 1. steal and idea from Boise, repave the track KU BLUE!! Why not? 2. Take down that cheap-a** chain link fence around the field and replace it with a nice stone wall that would match the stone of the press box and athletic facility, maybe even imprint some Jayhawks on it. Those two things would definitely give the stadium a better look.

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TKHAWK

And for the love of GOD! Please get some better stadium food at Memorial and Allen Fieldhouse! Our concessions stands are a joke. Nachos with a dry hot dog and your choice of 3 candies. WOW! We can do better than that.

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texashawk10

I believe Duke is the only other BCS program with a track around the field.

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TKHAWK

Of course I believe the biggest problem with a track around a football field beyond the aesthetic is that it will always suck up the sound. Its amazing to me how many times the stadium has been packed and I know the fans are yelling, but its just muffled by the time it gets to the field. I think its one of the big reasons opponents always say our stadium is eeirly silent (even when its a packed house).

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Nick Cole

How about the Texas DC or Bamma DC? If we aren't getting a guy with HC experience, these would be my top two choices (of course I would rather have a guy with HC experience, who has consistently won in a BCS conference and gone to and won bowl games over the last 5-10 years). And I don't want Sumlin. I don't think he can cut it in a BCS conference yet. Matt, who on the list matches this?

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hawkfan30

Careful what you wish for or how you judge a coach. Auburn fans heckled their administration for hiring Gene Chizik away from ISU. Chizik had a 5-19 (2-10 conference) record at ISU but hadn't been fired (yet) when Auburn came calling.

What did those fans have to say after his BCS championship?

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texashawk10

Those fans were damn lucky Auburn outbid Miss. St. for Cam Newton. His two seasons without Newton, he's gone 7-5 in the regular season so how patient is that fanbase going to be if he puts up another 7-5 regular season next year.

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK

Agreed. Cam was a meteor that streaked across the sky in an instant before things returned to normal.

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JayDocMD

and armed with Cam, Malzahn had more to do with that NC than Chizik.

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bjejayhawk69

I have admit not getting Leach is a little disappointing but I have a feeling all his baggage got in the way - mostly his lawsuits. He would have made a splash here both with fans, recruiting and national media spotlight. But Zenger needs to move on.

I still think he will hire someone who he has a past with. I think he is really on Mark Stoops. I still don't think Leavitt is out of the mix. Yes SF will play into the new year but Leavitt has a history with Zenger, previous head coaching experience and coached in this part of the country as well. I am not pushing for him but I think he is still in Zenger's mix.

I really feel Texas recruiting ties would be huge and if nothing works out with Stoops or Leavitt I think Zenger needs to go that route - Fedora, Morris - Clemson OC. Sumlin and Dykes fall into that category but I would be disappointed with those choices.

I think Fitzgerald would be a good hire in spite of no Texas ties but he is young and seems to maximize his talent.

Please no older retreads - Mason, Fulmer etc.

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Brandon Pope

Careful what you say, there are a few people in there parts that think the lawsuits were trivial. Rumor has it they they were THE reason KU had to move on after establishing a verbal agreement with Leach.

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bjejayhawk69

He was a high risk / high reward situation but I think well worth the risk. The administration must not have wanted to take the risk.

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rob4lb

At this point, it comes down to whether or not Zenger can pick the right guy. The next coach will probably be someone with a limited body of work just like Turner Gill. Regardless of who he hires, people --especially on this board-- will find reasons why it was a bad hire and we will not know if he is successful until he has coached for 2-3 years.

I hope Zenger has good instincts and I hope he doesn't feel pressured to hire a coach who will appease the fans in the short term and looks at this hire as the KU football coach for the next ten years.

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FreddyinLA

If Fedora truly covets the A&M job, the longest he will have to wait is a year with the Serminator at the helm.

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1jhawk2

Fedora, can he recruit TX where we all now a bunch of players are from? With his recent ties in the South, would he be able to get 5-7 players a year to come here along with 5-7 from TX? I know his team took it to us last year. They simply had better athletes on the field than we did. Simply put, can he revive this program?

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Bob Taylor

Just a little thought, what about Charlie Weiss?

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1jhawk2

remember he coached with the Chiefs and said he needed to move to Florida due to disabilities of a child. He smarter than that anyway.

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Cora Smith

Why is this beginning to feel like a scavenger hunt? I hope Zenger has been sitting on the beach for the last few days waiting to unveil his pre-selected choice. Otherwise, we may really be in trouble when this thing drags out.

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blindrabbit

Just proves how far the KU football program has declined;no interest from worthy potential coaching candidates; no interest from other conferences when it comes to re-alignment talk. Too freaking much emphasis on basketball; which to me (a attendee since Hoch Auditorium days) has lost it's appeal.

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LJD230

The Little IX ain't gonna beomce the Little X anytime soon:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...

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Jeff Coffman

I think it is pretty clear that this gets settled in a board room, not a court room (and by my guess is April). My belief is that once the Big East gets 1 member to replace them and 1 member to replace TCU, than they will have the 12 teams they need. Once that occurs they will release WVU and receive like a $1MM in additional severence (so $6MM total). Syracuse and Pitt can be slower to leave and can live with the 27 month window. I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC is trying to figure out a way to univite Syracuse now.

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Georgia_Jayhawk

In my opinion, KU is like the high school girl who thinks she should get a date to prom because her parents have always told her she was pretty. But, in reality, she is fat and ugly. Nobody wants her. This became apparent with the conference realignment ordeal and this coaching debacle will only make it more evident.

None of these names are going to energize the fanbase. KU will end up with a B-list coach (at best) and the program will continue to suffer. It will spill over to the other programs. In my opinion, l think it already has. Coach Self's past couple recruiting classes have been mediocre and I can't help but believe conference realignment contributed to this. I envision Coach Self leaving if the KU athletic department remains a joke.

We need to clean house from the top down and get the university back to some level of national relevancy.

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Sam Constance

Whatever you say, Chicken Little.

Sounds like you're more suited to Missouri fanhood.

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Seth Nesmith

As I've said elsewhere, June Jones would have this program in a BCS game in 5 years. Fork out some big bucks and get a guy that's turned nothing into something twice- Hawaii and SMU. With our facilities and his QB recruiting, Jones would put us back on the map. It would take a lot to get him away from the Texas money and rich SMU.

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Georgia_Jayhawk

June Jones' success at Hawaii was a product of a weak schedule. My beloved Bulldogs barely broke a sweat againt them in the 2007 Sugar Bowl. Texas, OU and OSU would do the same on a yearly basis to a June Jones led KU.

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Jeremy Shank

Any chance Houston Nutt may get a look?

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TXBBall55

I guess we just have to relax and watch this disaster unfold. If one more Tech/Baylor/UT fans smirks at me, you'll be hearing about my rampage on CNN.

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rob4lb

This is fascinating to see how this plays out. The easy thing to do was to fire Gill; the harder thing is to find a suitable replacement. I don't know that you do the first thing unless you have a plan to do the second or harder thing.

Most of us don't know Zenger. Matt's last post seems to imply that there may not have been a strong plan to find a replacement. As quickly as Gill was fired, I really thought the background work to find a replacement was completed. Even if Leach was Plan A, KU should have made a determination before firing Gill is Leach was interested and whether there obstacles to hiring him.

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Sam Constance

I'm continually astounded by the fact that so many people think that coordinating and managing such a major personnel change, with so many moving parts, is that easy.

Maybe Plan A is a coach who can't be announced right now because of his existing coaching duties?

Or maybe Leach was Plan A and there was an understanding/expectation that fell through at the last minute. In fact, perhaps the reason the Washington State job happened so quickly is because Leach knew he had two suitors, and when one fell through, there was very little negotiation left to do.

Given Zenger's lack of forthcoming information on these major decisions, I would read Matt's comment, not as the lack of a strong plan, but generic AD-speak to say something without really saying anything.

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ja3hawk

I think KU's best bet is to hire a good coordinator. If you look at some of the best coaches in FBS, almost all of them were solid coordinators. We don't necessarily need to hire a HC from another program. We just need to stay away from the mid-major conferences and pick a guy who can bring fundamentally sound football kids to the program. The good guy hire was such a bad move.

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Tony Bandle

If Kansas is truly serious, then here is the bullets we are going to have to bite:

1] To get a top flight Coach and recruiting magnet, we will have to offer at least double the Gill contract.

2] Fix the stadium by removing the track and adding more seats ...get a homefield advantage.

3] Present an exciting offensive-minded team scheme that will draw impact recruits.

4] Think out of the box....blue and crimson field.... numerous uniform combinations...... come up with a fierce, stylized Jayhawk logo. Appeal to this generation of players, not the old fart alumni [of which I am one] in the stands.

5] Play exciting football....go for every fourth down....always try for the two point conversion...on side kick at every opportunity.....do somethings that will make the rest of the country talk about Kansas football.

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jay381

I assume this was intended to be a joke.

11 years ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Uhhhhhhhhh, I'm in!

11 years ago

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jay381

Question: This morning you added Fuente and I notice a few hours later he was not on either list. Was that because it was a different list or has he been eliminated in your evaluation of the changing landscape? I like the fact he worked for a highly respected head coach in Patterson and a nationally recognized program. He has succeeded in an area that did not have the greatest resources with TX and A&M in TX and OU raiding from the North. Their facilities (although renovated recently) are certainly not the largest. TCU certainly does not have a long history as one of the great football institutions. However they appear to get kids that want to play, can be coached and certainly have been successful. I have liked Fedora if we can get him from the start. However Fuente does have viable success at a team that plays competitive football, perhaps it was the Rose Bowl victory in the background of the video. I sure like him a lot more than some on your second list in the 12:39 update.

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TKHAWK

I'm not throwing my support behind any one candidate, and I trust SZ, but one name I would like to see move from the "we really would rather not have this guy" list, to the "this would be a nice fit" list is Dave Doeren.

The big complaints I've read against him are that Turner Gill beat him out of a job. Yeah, and two wrongs don't make a right. Perkins screwed up. We all know that. He knows the culture and he knows how to coach. Biggest point, and I hate to burst everyones bubble on the Phat Man, becuase I liked Mangino, but the big guy wasn't making too many house calls. Who was? Dave Doeren! Dave Doeren stocked the cabinet with most of your Orange Bowl Champ Jayhawks. He's offensive minded. Lastly, don't point out that he lost to us because we all know that game had no defense and UNI is going to a bowl with quality wins this season and we are not. He turned his team around after a tough loss. Turner did not.

I also like Sonny Dykes, but I'll save that for another rant. RCJH!

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Jeff Coffman

Add the immediate killing over of half of the alumni, who would shoot themselves when a guy that is mediocre in a horrible conference (with one year of head coaching experience) gets hired. That would just show we are way to low on the pecking order.

He is definitely offensive!

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Newell Post > Live chat with Tait

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bjejayhawk69

Something to think about is a coach who can recruit and bring in a high impact QB. Defense wins championships at schools that can stock pile athletic talent - Bama, LSU even OU. Auburn won with a freak at QB (Newton) and so did Texas (VY). Baylor is better becauses of RG3 and Houston has Case Keenum. Take those players away and those teams may be still good but some maybe not even .500. Resing was most likely the primary reason KU went to the Orange bowl that year. Without him we are good but not BCS good.

My point is a coach that can has the recruiting prowness and offensive mind (or at least a OC with the offensive mind) to either sign or find a top flight QB is important. Plus high scoring games are sure exciting. I know I don't want to see LSU and Alabama play to a baseball score in the national championship game.

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rob4lb

No doubt QB is important. The hard part is recruiting. No one wanted Reesing and many 5 star QBs are a bust. Garret Gilbert at UT this year is a good example. UT is struggling because of QB play.

I think QB play was a huge problem for KU this past year. Everytime Jordan Webb threw downfield, I held my breath. I never thought that coaching staff ever really trusted him which was a reason for the conservative play calling. If KU had a good QB last year, they would have won an extra game or two and Gill would probably still be coach.

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Jayhawk444

Oh my - yes! KU is the perfect example of this. What happens to our '06-'09 seasons without Reesing?

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manginodrh00lz

Easy big fella - let's be grateful that we had the opportunity to participate. I know it's in your blood but stop thinking like and engineer on everything. Not everything works perfect. Now let's get back out there and Mangino this forum!

11 years ago

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Bville Hawk

You two want to work this out between yourselves and get back to us when it's all settled?

11 years ago

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cool_beans

two words one name houston nutt

11 years ago

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plotku

Mike Stoops to the Buckeyes as CO-Defensive coordinator. And rumors are flying that Sumlin has been offered the ASU job.

11 years ago

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rob4lb

I heard the same. You got to let these guys play their games. This is the biggest football game in University of Houston's history. They don't need a distraction. The same goes for Southern Miss.

11 years ago

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irvan moore

i think the best hire out there is glen mason. he would be happy to come back to lawrence and i think we would be lucky to have him back.

11 years ago

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Kirk

Does he still have that kind of energy? As a point of contrast, Snyder doesn't need any extra energy, because he's a genius. But the Masonic approach boils down to bullheadedness.

As Tait says, the KU job even started to wear down Mangino (the biggest hardass of them all.) I'm not sure Mase could hold up in his sixties.

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Kirk

I hope there's a pleasantly surprising name that pops up that I'm not aware of yet.

All along, I've only wanted two guys: Leach or Fedora.

If we end up with Doeren I'm going to puke.

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ahpersecoachingexperience

99.9% ahperse shoots himself if Doeren becomes our next head coach.
.1% ahperse shoots himself in the head and lives so he has to shoot himself twice.

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Jeff Coffman

You stole my idea...I'm pretty sure there would be a race for shootings in the KU alumni base.

11 years ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

If our next coach is a Turner Gill type I will lead a mass kool aid drinking during the first game of the season.

11 years ago

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texashawk10

Dear god please let it be Doeren.

11 years ago

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lv_jhwk

Don't give your buddy Zenger any incentive!

11 years ago

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Pitthawk34

I will loan you my shotgun to make sure there is no doubt.

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Michael Maris

Manginorh00lz,

If Lew Perkins was still in charge, the 5% on Disbanding Football would be closer to 100% (since he was in charge doing the same at good Ole Wichita State University).

He would cite some illogical reason as to why the football isn't generating enough revenue for the Athletic Department and is no longer a sustainable venture. Hince, T. Gill was a wrong hire that Lew should not have made.

Therefore, Lew would kill his 2nd football program within the state of Kansas.

11 years ago

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Jeff Coffman

Keep in mind that WSU's football team was killed in a plane crash, probably not best "joke".

11 years ago

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Ben Kliewer

Word on the street is that Venables is just biding his time until Snyder's out at KSU where they'll name him the HC.

11 years ago

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Benjamin Piehler

So like 2 weeks?

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DSKornkage

In all honesty though, is Van Pelt right? Is there a worse HC job in a BCS school right now? Program is a joke on the national scene despite what us fans and the school want it to be. It is a basketball first football second school. You are fighting the two coaches in 3 years thing. I want to see KU football competitive jsut as much as the next guy but is this really the worst of the open BCS options right now?

11 years ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

2.5 mill and it becomes pretty attractive!

11 years ago

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hawkdreams

I think he just meant worst of the BCS openings. Duke off the top of my head is a worse job.

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David Atchley

The excuse and adage that "Kansas is only a basketball school" are becoming dangerous words to whisper when it comes to Conference realignment.

There is hardly any room at the proverbial table as it is for every school in a given conference, much less one that doesn't contribute to attracting the largest televison revenues possible.

11 years ago

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Benjamin Piehler

As long as I can actually watch a KU football game without gouging my eyes out, I dont care who the HC is.

11 years ago

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buckleyhawk

Amen to towels.

11 years ago

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doctorWho

You still have eyes to gouge out after this last season?

11 years ago

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Steve Williams

No need to "pound" the phones, using them to make calls would be quite appropriate

11 years ago

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Lance Cheney

Haha. That's funny.

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David Meredith

Who is Ahperse coaching pick in case I missed it? I just want to keep track in case his pick stumbles.

11 years ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Leach or bust...uh oh!

11 years ago

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jay381

Just as a point of information WWLS and The ABC affiliate in OKC are reporting Mike Stoops has been offered the Co-Defensive coordinator position at Ohio State.

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1jhawk2

Reading some the latest post, it seems very reasonable and realistic that KU needs to higher an older person who has been there done that. I've said in several post this program is in a huge hole and has definitely hit rock bottom. The only way from here is up and I heard Gary Barnett say he would have interest in KU. If that's the case let the man have it for $2 million.

This would rectify our immediate problem and that is getting a head coach. It would also land a name which we need with recruits and parents. His only scandal is the partying while recruits were in town and the female kicker. Kids to do stuff that parents don't know about, we've all been there or are are there now.

Barnett is older, but been there and done that. Give him one more ride!

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Jeff Coffman

Only!!!!

Only disregarding the accusations of rape!! Have you not been watching what happens to programs that sweep things under the rug...Penn State has been wiped out and believe me when everything gets done...Syracuse is going to follow suit...

Only...can't believe you wrote that.

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David Atchley

Spoken from someone who apparently doesn't have any daughters, much less that "female kicker" at Colorado...if "older" is going to be the only criteria..."Mike Price" is at UTEP and the Alabama nation thought enough to hire him for a minute...all he did was enjoy the stip clubs and the ornaments that adorn such fine institutions..

I also hear Joe Paterno may want a swan song...he has run one of the biggest "organizations" that even John Gotti would have been proud of.....Jim Tressel...all he did was not fully and immediately disclose all knowledge to his superiors....he'll be older in a few years as well.....

I wouldn't let anyone of them near my kid, much less hire them to represent any learning institution.

There are older coaches out there that still aren't "hard-wired" to have character flaws that embarass their employers, institution, alumni and fan base.

Kansas needs a rising star....not one that is blinking on the horizon. Kansas just fired someone that was imposing antiquated methods on athletes. To get the Tier 1-2-3 level kids from Texas, you must have someone they immediately can relate to, and who's parent's trust this coach with their kids.

Barnett or any of them will get as far in a recruiting visit with a parent until "the" question of their incidence(s) is asked....NEXT!

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1jhawk2

Yes, I have a young daughter. The coach can't be everywhere and kids have to be accountable for their actions. We all know people with various backgrounds get in trouble in various places. Wrong place at the wrong time.

Barnett would still be a viable candidate in my mind because of his ability to build a solid foundation for the next coach.

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Jeff Coffman

As my wife would point out...you have failed as a human being.

Kids might have to be accountable, but supervisors have to responsible for the actions of those they are entrusted to.

I can only guess that he went to that lady's house and talked to the parents and they entrusted their daughter to that coach, just like Self went into the house of Ms. Robinson and proceeded to care for that person as if they were their son/daughter. When something bad happened...he didn't treat that lady like a "daughter", but as something that is not acceptable to write about on this site.

I hope your daughter isn't old enough to read your thoughts in this case. I hope she isn't able to read what Barnett said about that lady.

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Jeff Coffman

The one thing that makes me sleep good at night during this head coaching search. Is that we don't have Turner "The Worst Coach in KU History" Gill left as our Heach Coach.

I'm super disappointed that the number two available coach (Urban Meyer was clearly number one) was apparently our #1 target and we went stupid.

However, when the name is announced as long as the following doesn't occur, I'll be happier than I was two weeks ago.

1) The Coach comes from a mid-tier conference
2) The coach had a losing or mediocre record before he came
3) Is hired because he has remote link to Kansas when you pull out the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. (Money will keep a coach at KU if he is successful).
4) He is a name that I haven't heard of and have to do a google search to figure out his history.

I'm still going to be happy it isn't TG though.

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manginodrh00lz

Agreed - there's those conservative ways again.

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doctorWho

Shutdown? I thought we did that 12/13/2009.

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Justin LoBurgio

Tait,
Rumor is that A&M is going to buy out Sherman. They will target Sumlin. Do we go after Sherman? Would he be interested? Or, does his relationship with Gill from Green Bay get in the way?

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ljmhawk

this mangino poster is an idiot

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ljmhawk

that just proves my point

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pizzashuttle

The ASU Scout site says ASU already has an offer out to Sumlin.

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David Atchley

Everyone can rest easier tonight knowing the fate of Kansas football lies in the hands of an unproven (hell you're still learning to spell this cat's name) no-name, athletic director, who has more ties to K-State than Kansas, from a insignificant football school buried in the Missouri Valley Conference, to hire the right person for the job.

Sweet Dreams Angels...

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doctorWho

I hope he's the right man or it's going to get messy. It takes a light touch to polish a turd . . .

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Lance Cheney

That's a good quote!

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ack

Mike Ackerley is the guy to go after to coach KU. Presently serving as Director of college recruitment for the NFL Tenn Titans! A good proven coach and an excellent recruiter...somebody who will make it happen!!!!!

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK

Thanks for telling us that, Mike Ackerly.

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ack

By the way Mike Ackerley is a Former Asst. Coach at KU. Knows KU and knows the Big 12.

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Dillon Davis

Matt looks like A&M is going after Sumlin, not Fedora. We still have a chance!!!

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Kevin Randell

Don't know.....right now it looks like our AD is thinking this is a conference realignment so there is silence. Wish he would do something like let us know he has narrowed down the list to *blank* number of candidates or something!

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lv_jhwk

Please explain how this makes you feel better about the process. Seriously, because I don't get it. Is such a list or daily announcements really supposed to prove anything? Look at how many people came up with similar lists while simply sitting in front of their computer.

Only once everything is taken care of will we even begin to get an idea of the amount of work put in, and even then there's a good chance that we will only get part of the story.

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JhawkalumJB

He stated in KC Star today that it was down to 6 to 10 candidates. Still vague, but its better than nothing.

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Jeff Coffman

With Fedora or Sumlin going to Houston, I am that much happier. Hopefully Fedora goes to Ole Miss and Sumlin goes to A&M, that would be a huge win for KU. We didn't want either one of these coaches.

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David Meredith

We would be lucky to get either of those coaches. But KU is probably pretty far down on their radar.

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rob4lb

Let's be honest, Sumlin was never interested in Kansas. We missed on Fedora last time; he may not be interested in us.

I know we have to let the process play out. We are going to have to trust Zenger's instincts because I suspect the next KU football coach will be someone most people hadn't heard of a month ago.

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Ashwin Rao

If Texas A&M hires someone before us, we are doing an extremely bad job with our search... I understand that we are not one of the "top tier" football schools, but there is no reason to not get a decent coach quickly. We can analyze coaches until death, but good coaches are good coaches... you don't need to have a bean counter to find out whether they are good or not!

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lv_jhwk

It works both ways...a good coach doesn't need a bean counter to see that there are better options out there than our beloved institution. So unless Zenger is really able to "Wow" them (salary the easiest way), there are several reasons this might not happen quickly.

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lv_jhwk

But do we know for sure that an offer wasn't made? As some have already said, the rumor mill is stating that it did in fact occur, and a verbal agreement might even have been reached. But since neither version is known with any certainty, we're just left wondering.

My point is that why do so many assume that just because we make an offer it is going to be accepted? If these same people were to walk up to some attractive stranger, throw around a little money, talk about the nice home they have, then make a marriage proposal...how many would really have a chance of hearing "Yes"?

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rob4lb

I'm in Houston and just heard on the local sports talk radio that ASU is throwing big money at Sumlin, over $3M per year. The Pac-12 schools have alot of money from the Fox contract.

I don't know who takes the A&M as it looks like it is open. That is a great job but the athletic department is in disarray, but heads and shoulders above the KU job. I think A&M is already starting to regret the move to the SEC.

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kennesawhawk

"ASU is throwing big money at Sumlin, over $3M per year. The Pac-12 schools have alot of money from the Fox contract."

Happy to see that ASU like Kansas is putting the new TV money to good use. In the mean time tuition and fees keep climbing. Coaches aren't getting any better, just more expensive.

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Brian Haase

http://espn.go.com/college-football/s...

hope this doesn't completely ruin our chances of landing Fedora, he's been my top choice since the beginning...

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rob4lb

Part of me thinks that A&M would go after someone more established instead of a mid-major coach, but I could be wrong, Kevin Sumlin's name comes up. A&M would have been an interesting landing spot for Leach.

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Lance Cheney

Okay. Newsflash, people: Leach is not coming, he took another job. Stop whining about his "baggage" and his "lawsuits" and how he would or wouldn't have been a great hire. He's out of the picture now so stop talking about him. I doubt he's going to read the KU message boards and change his mind.

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sevenyearhawk

Someone needs to crap in Van Pelt's wangburger ...

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blindrabbit

rob4lb: Comeon Leach at A&M; talk about a fish out of water. A free spirit, liberal thinker at that tight-arsed school; with students parading around like storm troopers in their right winged uniforms!

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Frankenhawk

Bring back Glen Mason! He was successful here once in much crappier times than these. In his first run here he had no administrative support, no financial support, no facilities, no texas recruiting ground (we weren't in big12 yet), and was taking over a program MUCH worse off in terms of talent and fan energy level. Bring Glen Mason in at 1.5million per year, use the savings to hire some awesome coordinators and keep Mitchell and Beaty around to recruit. Mason stays 5 or 6 years, builds us back to respectability, and THEN we go get the big time hire. We are the bottom of the barrel right now because 1) how we chased Mangino out and 2) firing gill after 2 years, even if deserved, scares off coaches. Add to our position in the openings the fact that there frankly aren't any big time names worth pinning huge salary and hopes on and you see there is only one man for this job AT THIS TIME. Bring back GLEN MASON!!!!

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Jeff Coffman

Not that we fired Gill, but that we hired Turner "the worst Coach in KU Football History" Gill in the first place.

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lv_jhwk

As someone who lives in the state, I can assure you that those in Nebraska critical of KU hiring Gill were in the minority. Too many "You guys will be great soon"s and "Wish we had him instead"s still ringing in my ears two years later.

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kansaspike

No reason to think we can't trust our AD. He fired Gil immediately and conference realignent went as well as possible.

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michael anway

I have read every article and every post for the past four days. I am convinced that SZ is missing the boat if he doesn't have Chad Morris of Clemson high on his list. He has what KU wants. A great offensive mind, proven winner and can recruit the heck out of Texas. I am dying here. Please don't make a mistake. PS: I am glad everyday that I sent Mark Mangino a thank you email for all the great things he did at KU. I still have his response in my email folder. Please bring back those great Saturday afternoons watching KU football. A loyal fan.

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Ashwin Rao

Interesting article on Sherman:
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/...

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rhollinshed

Matt, Any chance Mike Sherman comes to KU?

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Chris1955

Wow! You beat KU 61-7, and still lose your job? (insert Aggie joke here)

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Eric Dawson

Sherman was 25-25 in 4 years at A&M. This year the Aggies were 4-5 in conference, 6-6 overall. Unfortunately KU FB has been the joke this year, as your comment implicitly underscores.

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Bville Hawk

I'll take a stab at the Aggie joke:

A building was suffering from a rat infestation and the A&M Aggie Exterminating Service was called to take care of the problem. A dozen Aggie Storm Troopers charged into the building and a raging battle ensued. After 3 hours all was quiet. Six troopers were lost in the battle, 3 were injured and received battlefield decorations, and the final 3 came out with war brides.

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buckleyhawk

Well, it looks like that's that for A&M. It was a weird hire from the get-go; many A&M alumni (my family included) were pretty unhappy with it in the first place.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/01/...

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buckleyhawk

And...not that I think it was fair or not for TAMU to fire Sherman, but I do feel like David Ubben comes across more as a super-fan than a journalist/columnist. Just my thoughts...and to be honest, 25-25 with A&M's budget/facilities/whatever shouldn't ever happen. But, in all reality, they screwed up the day they let RC Slocum go.

Now I'm just babbling.

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JHawk74

Mike Sherman would be a great hire for KU. He can recruit in Texas, he runs a NFL type offense and defense.

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texashawk10

Cromwell has been with the Rams the past 2 seasons and A&M's offense was terrible under Cromwell.

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John Myers

Please, not Sherman.. I've got too many Aggie friends down here that would ride me endlessly when KU continues to lose with a coach they just fired..

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TKHAWK

ESPN's Jay Shad is reporting that Houston's Sumlin is top choice for A&M. This is good news for KU if you have Fedora higher on your wish list than Sumlin like I do. Things should get interesting next week after the Conf USA game is over tomorrow, Fedora will have an opportunity to talk with suitors before the Bowls begin. I predict by a week from today, we will know something solid!

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