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TCU bullies No. 6 Kansas, 74-64, dropping Jayhawks into 2nd place in Big 12 race

Kansas forward KJ Adams (24) and forward Jalen Wilson (10) look on as TCU forward Xavier Cork (12) dunks in the second half of an NCAA college basketball game in Fort Worth, Texas, Tuesday, March 1, 2022. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

It was back-to-back losses for Kansas and back-to-back wins over ranked teams for the first time in TCU history for the Horned Frogs on Tuesday night in Fort Worth, Texas.

After falling to Baylor in a hard-fought showdown at the top of the Big 12 standings last Saturday night, the sixth-ranked Jayhawks were bullied on the glass and beaten in just about every other aspect of a 74-64 loss at Schollmaier Arena.

“They dominated us on the glass,” KU coach Bill Self said after the loss. “They’re so athletic and long and, of course, we played so unathletic tonight. Really a poor outing. I don’t think you could say that anybody really played well. That hasn’t happened to us this year at all, I don’t think. But they had a lot to do with it.”

The loss — KU’s second 10-point defeat in the Lone Star State in the past four days — put Kansas a half a game behind Baylor in the Big 12 standings with two games remaining for Kansas and one left for Baylor.

If the third-ranked Bears (25-5 overall, 13-4 Big 12) beat Iowa State at home on Saturday, KU will need wins over both this same TCU team on Thursday night at Allen Fieldhouse and Texas at home on Saturday to earn a share of this year’s Big 12 regular season title.

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“We’ve got to win these last two games,” said KU sophomore Jalen Wilson after Tuesday’s loss. “We came way too far to let somebody else take what we’ve earned.”

Tuesday’s defining moment, on a night full of them for the Horned Frogs, came with just over seven minutes to play, after Kansas freshman KJ Adams missed a 4-footer in the lane that would have cut TCU’s lead to eight. Running off of the miss, TCU got the ball to sophomore forward Xavier Cork, who, in one motion, displaced Adams from the lane on the other end and followed with a vicious two-handed jam that gave the Frogs their biggest lead of the night, 61-49.

“Our guys played under the rim and they played above it and they were relentless going after (the ball),” Self said of the Horned Frogs, who stacked Tuesday’s win over No. 6 Kansas on top of an upset win over No. 9 Texas Tech last weekend.

“They’re an NCAA Tournament team,” Self said of TCU, which improved to 19-9 overall, 8-8 in Big 12 play and picked up its fourth win over a ranked opponent this season. “They’re a lock.”

After Cork’s highlight-reel hammer, Self immediately called timeout and the Jayhawks (23-6, 12-4) found a way to hang around. But TCU was clutch at the free throw line down the stretch (15-of-19 on the night) and that kept a late Kansas rally from pushing the road team all the way over the hump.

A 3-pointer by Jalen Coleman-Lands with 1:50 remaining pulled Kansas within six, but the Frogs immediately answered with a Cork dunk on the other end after beating KU’s full-court pressure.

A 3-pointer by Christian Braun on the next possession pulled Kansas within five and two free throws by Agbaji with 47.2 seconds to play cut the TCU lead to four. But that was as close as the Jayhawks would get.

TCU shot just 42% from the floor, but got 19 of their 39 misses back (48.7%), giving them second and third opportunities at a bucket on several possessions.

To put that number in perspective, TCU entered Tuesday night as one of the top offensive rebounding teams in the country, getting 38.5% of their misses back for the season. The national average in offensive rebounding percentage is 28.2%.

“We let a team get to their strengths,” Wilson lamented after Tuesday’s loss. “We knew that they were a good rebounding team and we weren’t able to take that away. We knew that if we did take it away, we’d win the game. I think it just shows exactly what we have to do on Thursday — rebound the ball.”

It wasn’t just the rebounding battle where Kansas struggled.

Led by a rough shooting night by senior guard Ochai Agbaji, who finished with 13 points on 4-of-17 shooting in 37 minutes, the Jayhawks shot just 37% from the floor for the game, including 35% (14-for-40) on 2-point attempts.

The Jayhawks also missed two crucial front ends of one-and-one trips to the free throw line in the game’s final five minutes, which did significant damage to their hopes of crawling back into the game.

“You always have games like this every year,” Self said. “But it seemed like to me we were just never in sync for 40 minutes tonight. We just didn’t look like we competed. I don’t know if we’re tired or what.”

Kansas actually led by one at halftime (35-34), after Agbaji drained a 3-pointer that hit nothing but net from in front of the TCU bench and then watched Coleman-Lands drill a 3-pointer from the opposite wing.

But that was the last time things went well for the Jayhawks on any kind of consistent basis. After a David McCormack bucket to open the second half gave Kansas a 40-37 lead, TCU responded with a 6-0 run to take a 43-40 lead.

The Frogs maintained the lead the rest of the way, twice building leads of seven points while keeping an out-of-sorts Kansas team on its heels throughout the second half.

“They came out very intense,” McCormack said after the loss. “We kind of came out slow, (with) a little bit of a lid on the rim and, from there, it was just kind of an uphill battle.”

Added KU senior Mitch Lightfoot, who was asked what Kansas needed to do in the next 48 hours to be ready to face this same Horned Frogs team at Allen Fieldhouse: “It starts with energy. We have to play with better energy, contagious energy.”

Thursday’s tipoff is slated for 7 p.m. on Big 12 Now/ESPN+.

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Daniel Kennamore

There goes our 1 seed and all but the slimmest of chances of an outright Big 12 title.

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Blake Brown

Hard to watch especially on ESPN+ with 2 uber homer announcers calling it. It's all OK with wins in the next 2 games. A big Go Jayhawks!

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Blake Brown

We have to win the next 2 plus the Big Xll tournament to regain the #1 seed and even if not, it still comes down to matchups. Lots of ball left to play.
This is a time when we need to support our team more than ever.

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Allin Herring

Way to go Self you have managed to blow a 2 game conference lead all within a span of 2 games!

7 months, 1 week ago

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Daniel Kennamore

Glad to see he responded to a cushy life time contract that also specifically carved out that he can't be held responsible for the Adidas cheating with expanding his NCAAT face-plants to the regular season title.

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Bryce Landon

Agreed. Self might be a classy coach and human being, but being classy doesn't translate to winning the games that matter. Nothing has hamstrung the future of this program like that lifetime contract. I don't see us sniffing another national title until the 2040s at the earliest.

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Shannon Gustafson

Best record against the Top 10 and Top 25 is owned by....Bill Self. What did you say about not winning games that matter?

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Bryce Landon

Stalker Shannon is back, I see. If I didn't know better, I would think you secretly had a crush on me. Does your husband know you're looking for someone to cheat on him with?

7 months, 1 week ago

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Shannon Gustafson

Nobody would have a crush on a misogynistic, debby-downer like yourself, don't flatter yourself. The question is how would your congregation and wife feel about the sexist comments you've made to me over the last few years?

http://www2.kusports.com/users/photos...

7 months, 1 week ago

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Rodney Crain

LOL SG is back is not any smarter.

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Kyle Neuer

That NCAA sword that's been hanging over our heads the last decade hasn't exactly helped recruiting. Not to mention being snake bit by injuries, DeSouza, etc.

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Tony Bandle

Random Thoughts:

1] Come on....is anyone surprised by this loss? Without the adrenaline provided by Allen, this team can be rendered fragile in hostile environments.

2] TCU will be a revenge game and Allen may provide just enough to edge Texas. PS please boo UT every chance you get for their traitorous departure!

3] A shared championship is still considered an individual championship by by the Big 12.
[Why, I have absolutely no clue!!].

4] Loss of a number One seed......good riddance!

5] My guess that the scheduled NCAA locations for Kansas will be Fort Worth, San Antonio and New Orleans. If you asked me to bet the mortgage that we will see all three cities, my answer would be PASS!!!

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Tony Bandle

PS we're 0-4 in the state of Texas, so maybe we can hope I'm wrong on Item 5 above!!! :{

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Bryce Landon

If we get sent to either Fort Worth or San Antonio, we might as well kiss the season goodbye because the state of Texas is obviously kryptonite to these softies.

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Rodney Crain

What a second half, we had only 14 points with 6 minutes to go. Their bench out rebounded our bench by 13 at this point. They had 19 OR at this time too. What an effort, by TCU.

Missed layups, missed FG's. Not hustling back on d, they flat out wanted it more and it showed.

Turnovers at the worst time too. We did everything you can to give them the win.

TCU could get anything they wanted down low too. Anything, anytime against anybody.

Remy Martin had the play of the game when he made a pass on a TCU turnover we forced, that hit a TCU player in stride mind you, for an easy layup. Play of the game, for TCU, but who cares, he has to be on the floor right?

Remy left his man wide open for a possible kick out 6 times tonight. Since they owned the paint he only cost us 3 points. When he forgot he was playing PG and OA had to rush back to receive the inbounds Self took him out for some me time on the bench. He is truly an "asset" for our, sorry for the other team. He is not the reason we lost the game, but he is sitting on the front row of the team picture.

Hope we can win the last two. But the way we are playing I am not sure we can.

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Brian Leiker

That's what sucks. Rebounding is just a matter of effort. I remember when teams that tried to send 4 or 5 to the rim for offensive rebounding would get run out of the gym. It's just a matter of effort.

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Mallory Briggans

Dajaun Harris is a TRUE WHATS THE POINT GUARD .............Bill Self will play him regardless so whats the point ............

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Rodney Crain

Harris missed that 3 pointer he took in the second half by 5 feet. You don't often see a college starting PG shoot a 3 and have it caught without jumping outside the blocking arc line cause it was so short.

I repeat, a starting PG for a top 5 ranked D1 mens college team missed a wide open 3 pointer by 5 feet.

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RJ King

Well, 37% FG PCT is a pretty bad night collectively. And foul calls were hard to come by.

But Harris was only responsible for 5% of the FG attempts. Yes, he missed 3 shots total, but he was kinda busy dishing out 7 assists, while turning the ball over ZERO times. DeJaun, Mitch, Zac and J-Cole the only KU players NOT in negative +/-

Self gave Remy 12 minutes and Joe 10. Remy had 2 PTS, a costly turnover and zero assists - leaving him with a -8 rating. (Joe at -4).

Harris did not cost us the game. It was a collective fail. This conference doesn't provide a half dozen games against bottom feeders. We looked tired. We looked confused in the multiple lineup combinations. Self is damned if he does (play nine) and damned if he doesn't.

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Rodney Crain

RJ

Busy??? really? Harris was a non factor. 7 assists during 26 minutes is poor. He missed every shot, he rarely drove the lane, he was weak on defense too. He was part of the problem. You forgot a few of his other stats, 0 rebounds, 0 free throws (lack of driving the lane) and 0 steals.

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Shannon Gustafson

7 assists in 26 minutes is poor? In what world? Only 3 D1 players are currently averaging 7 or more assists/game (none higher than 8/game) and none of them play less than 31 minutes/game. If that's your standard then we've never had an acceptable point guard, ever.

Those 7 assists accounted for 19 points in this game. How many KU players accounted for more than 19 points last night? I'll give you a hint by saying no one else scored more than 13, or had more than 1 assist. Harris was not the problem. Och stunk, Braun stunk, Dave was mediocre, Remy stunk, the defense stunk.

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Rodney Crain

I was hoping someone would challenge me. It makes it even sweeter it was you Shannon.

Um before I show how wrong you are, again, unless those player who avg. 7 assist a game have zero's on every singl stat for every game, tour comparisoon is missing the point. Its not his assists, it that for 26 minutes that is "all" he did.

Let's look at his assists from a shot clock down to 1 second play of Harris.

So 7 x 29 seconds in minutes is that is around 3:40 seconds. Heck let's round it up to 4 minutes. He is playing PG right, lets say due to defense, or a turnover, he does not touch the ball. Play is moving to fast. Lets give him 12 of those, or 6 minutes. .30 x 12 or 6 minutes. So that is 10 minutes. I think thats generous but lets make that number come to 15 minutes of his time on the court.

So even with all of that, when we look at his 26 mins. For 11 mins. on the court he did next to nothing to help us win the game. Or Shannon, sorry for the math I am trying to keep this simple for you, for about 25% of the game he was taking up space.

I don't care about the points off assist, which is low by the way, I care he did nothing for 11 minutes. To be fair that is more like 15 minutes.

Look I know that went over your head, but look at how many fouls he had in 26 minutes. One. All he did was make 7 passes that other guys scored off of. He was a ghost out there, a player to leave wide open because he was no threat to score. We got enough of those, and 26 minutes is way to much playing time to give someone who stood around for at 11 minutes.

He stunk to use your words. I mean skunk ran over behind your house stink. Quit eating popcorn and watch the game.

Thank you Shannon, always a pleasure to see you jump into the water over your head!

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Shannon Gustafson

So you had to create a made up and useless stat to prove your point? That's the best you could do? Come on, I thought you had something good coming after all of that buildup.
A simple look at game +/- completely invalidates your statement. While +/- is not a perfect stat (none are), it's certainly better than the one you pulled out of nowhere. Harris had a +/- of zero (meaning KU tied TCU while he was on the floor). Now let's look at the other starters:
Och: -5
Braun: -11
Wilson: -12
Dave: -11

So EVERY starter produced a negative result relative to TCU during their time on the floor, except Harris.

Another way to look at this is in Harris' 25 minutes, we tied TCU. In the 15 minutes he sat and a combo of Remy and Yesufu were the PG, we were 10 points worse than TCU. Extrapolated over 40 minutes, that would equate to a 26 point loss if Harris didn't play.

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Rodney Crain

Useless? I looked at his productity over 26 minutes and broke it down. I know actual facts are beyound your understanding but thought I would give it a try. 26 minutes in a 40 minute game is 65% of the game. Over 2/3rds of a game all he could show for it was 7 assists and 1 foul. We cannot afford a player who is handling the ball almost every time we get it to do nothing but pass it 7 times in 40 mins. He did nothing else. Nothing. No points, No rebounds, no steals, nothing. You agruement is as thin as a piece of paper.

Also your agruement has a huge hole. He is a starter buddy, that means he is playing with the best players. He should have done more in those 26 minutes with more talent around him.

Our bench is thin, in this game they did nothing, just like Harris. Our bench as they have proven are not very good. We have seen games with a big lead the bench give away 10 points in 5 minutes.

Harris was weak, he could have hit a shot, could have gotten 1 steal, could have drawn a foul. Nothing. That is because he did not play very well.

In the future try not to do math, you do not understand it. +/- can be trickly SHannon. Stick to off the wall silly statements that anyone can poke holes in. It's what you are best with.

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Shannon Gustafson

That you think the stat sheet shows everything that happens in a game is laughable. To say all he did was "pass it 7 times" when the team shot 35% for the game (meaning he's got to pass it WAY more than 7 times to get 7 assists, and that he would have had 10-11 assists if they'd shot closer to their average). Defense doesn't show up on the stat sheet (other than steals, blocks, and as part of the +/- stat). If you don't believe me, you can listen to was Bill Self said after the game. He said Harris didn't have a great game but that there was plenty of blame to go around...in other words: don't blame Harris, the whole team played like sh**. I never said Harris was a superstar (in this game, or in general), I just said it's not fair to blame him when there were others who were worse than him relative to their averages.

I believe my Engineering degree would point to you're assertion that I don't understand math being laughable. I will admit that DiffEQ was not fun but that's high level math, not the basic math being discussed here.

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Brian Babcock

Lazy math plus lazier insults does not equal a good post.

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Brian Leiker

Facts. Hard to win on the road playing 4 on 5 on offense. What's worse is 2 more years of it. He's his Russ Rob

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Shannon Gustafson

Yeah, the Russ Rob experiment ended poorly, let's not repeat that...

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Rodney Crain

Actually Shannon it was Mario who pulled us out of that. You know the 3 pointer, clock winding down. Look it up is thrilling.

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Shannon Gustafson

Reading comprehension is your friend. I understand it's hard to concentrate when you're getting your a** handed to you but you should at least try.

Who said anything about one shot, or Mario? I'm talking about how Russ Rob's career ended since Brian said above that Harris is "his (Self's) Russ Rob" and therefore we have 2 more years of Harris playing a bunch. That has nothing to do with one shot, or Mario. It's referring to the career of our last defensive minded offensively challenged PG that ended with a national title.

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Brian Leiker

Who was on the floor down 9 with 2:09 to go?

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Shannon Gustafson

Who cares? You're moving the goalposts. You mentioned Self's relationship with Harris being similar to that of Russ Rob, and tried to draw a parallel to that being a bad thing that we've got to deal with for 2 more years. When I point out Russ Rob helped lead us to a NC, you move the goalpost to focus on the last 2 minutes of one game. Just admit it was a poor comparison and move on. There are plenty of ways to say you're frustrated with Harris' play without comparing him to national champ Russ Rob in a negative way.

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Brian Leiker

That is not true. He led us to a title game. With him on the floor there is no natty. Also, remember if the ball stays in Curry's hands in 08, Self isn't even coaching at KU

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Chad Smith

I don't think comparing sophomore Juan Harris to senior year russ rob is really fair. Yes, russ rob was mediocre at scoring the basketball, but you can't really question his defense or leadership. Besides maybe derrick rose and steph curry (greatest shooter ever), he was like gary payton guarding the other team's best scorer, he gave up very little. He won a national championship. Yes I know Mario hit the critical shot, but who else would you have shoot that, Rush maybe? Tyshawn Taylor went 0-for his lifetime from 3 in the first 4 games of the 2012 Tourney, yet KU still made a final four. It's a team game and you need every one to provide something. Harris was consistent through the first 2/3 of the year. Now, do I think yesufu and martin need more run? Absolutely. But Martin is a liability at best on D right now and Yesufu isn't aggressive enough consistently. Bench has to step up if KU wants to do anything in March.

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Barry Weiss

I have to agree that Coach Self has waited too long to transition away from Harris to our other options. It is VERY difficult to win at a high level when your point guard is the weakest link, offensively, on your team. Yesafu and Remy need more and more minutes with each game left prior to the dance. Facts!

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Shannon Gustafson

Those 7 assists accounted for 19 points in this game. How many KU players accounted for more than 19 points last night? I'll give you a hint by saying no one else scored more than 13, or had more than 1 assist. Those are the real facts! There is lots of blame to go around and Harris isn't in the top 5 in that regard.

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Barry Weiss

lol...dream on

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Shannon Gustafson

It wasn't a dream, it was facts. Facts aren't dreams, this isn't difficult to understand. Your opinion can be what you believe and you may feel it's true (and that's you're right), but it's not facts. It is much closer to a dream than actual facts are.

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Barry Weiss

the Facts are that opposing teams sag off Harris on defense because he is not a scoring threat. THAT places much more stress on our 4 remaining players as its now 4 on 5. Fact 2....EVERY game opponents find the mismatch (which can be any of the opponents players) being guarded my Harris from the line on in because they will just back him in and score at an extremely high rate right over the top.

Sorry Shannon, those are the facts that you are apparently too blind to see. Wake up! Smell the coffee! We have two other options at PG that can do better on offense. Do you really see Harris as the PG of our future?? We are in trouble if that is our PG of the future. I really love the kid, but he is no scoring threat. Kansas needs a PG who can score. You may not like those facts and if not, it is certainly your right to dream about Harris as our PG now and the future. Carry on.

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Shannon Gustafson

Yes, and we've got a top 5 ranked offense nationally so that sagging off him isn't doing much.

I never said I wanted him to be the PG of the future, I hope Yesufu or Pettiford or a transfer are able to relegate Harris to a backup roll. Odds are it won't happen though.

What I did say was he did not cost us this game. He actually created more points than anyone else while being one of the higher ranked defenders. Every starter but Wilson played worse than Harris last night, Och may have been the worst offensively in this game.

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Rodney Crain

Harris is sitting right next to Remy in the Team photo of this loss. He did nothing else.

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RJ King

OK. I get that you really really want to hate on Harris. And yes, other than assists, his numbers were non-existent.

But using those same numbers (game stats), according to the +/- (other than Zack), you'll have to throw the entire team under the bus.

We're gonna need a bigger bus.

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Shannon Gustafson

Exactly, no reason to blame Harris when the whole team played poor and multiple starters were worse than him.

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Rodney Crain

We had a bigger bus, it was called the team bus last night.

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Steve Zimmerman

Help me understand this, kenpom.com has us #4 AdjO, but only a few games did I see us very effective in scoring. TCU's AdjD is #24. Did their defense have anything to do with our loss? TCU deserves
credit. Our players just couldn't make 'em buckets. Our defense didn't look that good either. We just looked terrible. *Let's hope some miracles happen in March*. Seeding doesn't really matter at this point, we need to find ways to score, box out & protect those guards from attacking the rim.

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Dirk Medema

Crazy that with the ridiculous rebounding, it’s still a 4 point game with almost a minute left.

Free throws are a difference maker once again.

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Bryce Landon

*“We’ve got to win these last two games,” said KU sophomore Jalen Wilson after Tuesday’s loss. “We came way too far to let somebody else take what we’ve earned.”*

That, to me, is a very telling comment. It shows that the Jayhawks have a sense of entitlement, like they think they deserve the Big 12 championship already. Let me clue you in on something, Jalen - you haven't earned jack-$#!+ yet! To earn the Big 12 championship, you have to win the most games in an 18-game schedule, and so far, you have played 16 games and are half a game behind Baylor. You have earned SWEET NOTHING.

If you want to earn anything, you need to show the grit and want-to that the Horned Frogs showed last night with all those rebounds they snagged, the grit and want-to that was totally absent on your side of things. If you can't muster that up in yourselves, then not only do you not deserve to be Big 12 champs or co-champs, but you deserve another humiliating first-weekend loss in the NCAA Tournament.

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Lee Short

For me, often the KUsports.com rating write-ups by Matt don't show up on the stories feed.

If folks here, haven't seen Matt's write-up, you should go over and read it (might need to google it).

Matt probably wrote his most brilliant review yet. Brutally honest and independent.

Matt, thanks again for all your columns. You do such great write-ups for KUsports basketball!

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Steve Zimmerman

+1000, Lee... Matt is the reason why I keep visiting this website. But I wish they implement https instead of http to protect KU fans!!!

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Matt Tait

Thanks, guys. I promise you that we are working on that. Things moved a little quicker back in the day but now that our owners have 50 or so other papers to oversee we have to get in line. It is at the tippy top of our priority list, though, along with a redesign, which looks pretty sharp.

Appreciate the kind words and your loyal readership. I hope you're enjoying Zac Boyer and think you'll really grow to like him, as well. We got lucky finding him!

Enjoy the rest of the season.

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Chad Smith

That dunk when Adams got bullied and another possession by TCU in the 2nd half where they got 4 ( YES 4) Opportunities at a basket told me everything. It's not even so much that KU lost, losses happen during a season. But HOW we lost and the inability to create shots, create energy and fight really disappointed me. The frontcourt is just a hodgepodge at this point. Let's hope Udeh, Ojiafor can bring some athleticism and dominance to the post next season.

DMac and Lightfoot aren't enough and Clemence and Adams aren't trusted at this point. TCU challenged almost every shot at the rim. We are giving up layups and putbacks like a hot knife through butter.

I don't like how KU is playing going into these last two games. Maybe something will change, good gosh I hope so but the lack of bench is showing up now and the whole 7 man rotation bit doesn't work when you need physicality and energy. Guys get tired and it clearly showed in a game like this. That's why you need good depth.

C'mon boys, KU is better than this.

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Bryce Landon

We need more big men. We haven't had a truly great big man since Udoka Azubuike. These four-guard lineups KU has played the past several seasons will only go so far.

But we also need more of a junkyard dog mentality. Remember past players from the early days of the Self regime who would fight, scratch, and claw for the ball? We haven't had much of that over the past decade. We've mostly had players who, while very talented, are more about highlights, dunks, and three-pointers than they are about getting themselves dirty and doing the little things that make a big difference. Oh, for the days of the "Family Over Everything" mentality...

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Chad Smith

I agree with the mentality and also the strategy needs to shift more to prizing the basketball. When teams slow the tempo down and play solid man-to-man defense, we need to be able to rebound the ball. I feel like KU is juggling this idea of transition points and high tempo offense but realistically they need to value the ball more overall. When you have possession of the ball, the other team can't score and also gives you an opportunity to score. It's pretty simple really. Have to be better at rebounding the ball and defending drives to the basket. KU is capable of scoring on anyone.

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Mallory Briggans

Lets see...............
You have a point guard ( Harris ) that wont shoot
You have a point guard ( Martin ) thats afraid to shoot for fear he will be yanked
You have a point guard ( Yesufu ) that doesnt get to shoot ....lack of playing time

As far as Remy is concerned his defense may be less than great but he gained his reputation with his offense ,and what has been overlooked is his career assists total so he can also create scoring opportunities for his teammates ......

Yesufu has active hands and he pushes the tempo and can score from time to time but guess thats not what Self wants

He will stick with Harris ...........because Bill Self is a HOF coach and he knows what hes doing
which makes as much sense as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

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Barry Weiss

agree completely Mallory, Shannon feels otherwise.... :)

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Bryce Landon

Which is why we need new leadership for this basketball program. Self's system does as much to stifle talent as it does to develop it, and that stifling of talent is what leads to so many wasted postseasons for the Jayhawks.

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Steve Zimmerman

Some programs are good in developing their players. KU is not one of them. But it also depends on the players, their talents - they have to be willing to work hard to train hard outside KU program - at the same time, in KU's case, impress coach BS; show they can defend to earn minutes. Some of our PGs developed their skills & games over time, Ochai has gone from 'redshirt' to starter - playing time helped, a great deal. I see Cam, Cuffee as players who can help this team in the beginning. Just like I used to critize coach BS when he decided to redshirt Ochai. But what do I know..

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Shannon Gustafson

Remember last week when you apologized to Self for your criticism of him and I said you'd be back to saying he should be fired in the next game or two? Here we are two games later and look what you just said. Just call me Nostradamus (or your actions are so easy to predict even a woman could figure you out).

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Barry Weiss

"so easy to predict even a woman could figure you out".....wow, you feel women are something less than men? you do have trouble with facts...carry on with your dreams! :)

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RJ King

Barry, you've gotta keep an eye out for the sarcasm font.

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Shannon Gustafson

No, I'm using his own logic against him, sarcastically, based on his past comments. As a pastor you'd think he'd know how to treat people respectfully but he doesn't.

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Rodney Crain

I love it Mallory. Remy though is not scoring, if you are going to take the bad with the good, the good has to be there. I watched only him for a while, he is a disaster. Not sure he is the answer.

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Shannon Gustafson

I totally agree, Remy is a disaster on defense and not much better on offense. He's always out of position, his go-to defensive move is to try to flop and draw a charge, otherwise he lets his guy drive right by him while he's pointing at someone to help.

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Rae Bricil

a very common theme is emerging when this team plays a physical and athletic team. This latest incarnation of boys versus men is probably not the last.

We saw this with KU against UK, TU, BU (2nd time) and now TCU--they just have a hard time competing in these types of games--they seem to wilt and lose composure.

I am 50/50 they win the next two games. It would surprise me if they lost both but no surprise they lose at least one and miss out on a share. Baylor is looking good lately and doubtful they lose to ISU.

In regards to the NCAA this team can still make the F4 given, as we know, anything can happen in March but once in the F4 they are almost guaranteed to meet a team like the above and that will be the end of the season.

good luck!

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Steve Zimmerman

That's very positive, Rae. I think if this team could even survive the 1st round, that'd be an achievement for the season.

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Rodney Crain

Good points. I am with you on that.

Our little Sunflowers are going to wilt as the ides of March start. So soon nothing more than a chance lost, an opportunity squandered, alas alas alas what could have been.

Sunflower Sunflower where have you gone?

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Barry Weiss

very cool RJ!

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Thomas Harrison

No big men and no shooting
Guards will not get you
Championships!

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dmack misses more bunnies than elmer fudd.

dmack fumbles more than dak p.

juan is fine. hes not our problem. nor is self, lol.

we dont have any energy away from home. how do we 'preach' energy but never bring it?! mind blowing.

were just soft. no inside presence & dmack-did i mention him-is a good kid but terrible ball player. try clemence! young but at least he TRIES HARD.

well win out & tie for CC, but lose, heart-breakingly in the ncaa. get ready, be prepared.

rcjh

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Steve Zimmerman

DMack hurts his toes. 😢😢

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RJ King

Ever had turf toe Steve? On top of recent foot surgery? Hope you receive similar empathy and caring from your friends and family.

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Steve Zimmerman

No, but I have bunion toe. Have you? It hurts like hell. Thanks for your concern. Did I say something wrong, King? What's wrong with stating fact? Is it the emoji?

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RJ King

Sorry, very hard to read the tea leaves in four-words or less. And yes, I have major foot issues despite being extremely fit and active.

I interpreted your comment as being snarky - as in "David is a big cry baby." All we can do is judge comments based on what folks have typed in the past. You've been pretty hard on the team, but I apologize if you meant this one as a genuine concern, or an explanation of why D-Mac is not Zion.

I appreciate any breakdown of what went wrong - but with nuance ... which you do frequently. I don't always see it your way, but appreciate it nonetheless. This time, I thought perhaps you were not considering the big picture of who these kids are, and what all else may be going on in their world.

The level of outrage on this site is so over the top. We get, "fire self," an assortment of hyperbolic cliches ("couldn't hit the side of a barn"), or name calling ("David McBunny") from so many. So trite and utterly devoid of humor. A bunch of spoiled fans turning their occasional disappointment into nastiness. It's pathetic.

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Steve Zimmerman

✌.. I tone down a bit. Shameful for bashing DMac in the past, not knowing he's been playing in pain. But I still blame the coaching staff, they realized DMac underwent foot surgery - should've had a backup plan. Redshirting Cam is a bad decision. He is a D2 - but I'm very confident it won't take him a year to adjust to D1. The dude can play inside and knows how to move around the basket.

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David Friend

Ochai was 4-17 missing many open shots. KU does not win if he is shooting 4-17. It's that simple.

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Shannon Gustafson

No, no, no. Didn't you hear, it's Harris going 0-3 while creating 19 points off assists that caused the loss.

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Rodney Crain

Sorry about Shannon David. We will try to watch him more closely.

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Tony Bandle

Random Thoughts: Obviously, this team has major shortcomings. What can they do to work
with what they've got to get the best results?
1] Everyone crash the boards on offense AND defense!! Maybe what teams the Hawks can't overcome physically, they can overcome them by numbers.

2] Treat every damn foul shot as the winning point for a National Championship. FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS.

3] Stay with your man on defense...no open shots. [Remi are you .listening?] Everyone, try to stop a drive once in awhile..

4] Treasure the ball likes it's a Megan Million Jackpot winning ticket!

5] David, no more bunnies. Take every shot and rip it thru the net chords.

6] Ochai, let your natural ability match the flow of the game and fire away.

7] Bill, open your mind up to the possibility that your treasured man defense isn't working so maybe an alternative defensive scheme may be a good immediate idea.

8] It would great if all of these statements come to pass....and it wouldn't surprise me if none of them did.

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Shannon Gustafson

Agreed, except I wonder where #1 is...and I don't think treating each foul shot as a NC game winner is the key to making them. I do however agree that they need to relax and make them as they've missed a lot of important ones lately.

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Rodney Crain

Number 1] is there Shannon, try to "read" all the sentences slowly. If you cannot find something that might be missing, you might want to try the find the object games. They will be hard at first, but I think they will help.

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Shannon Gustafson

You got me, how will I ever forgive myself. I'll try to remember that honest mistakes aren't tolerated on Planet Crain.

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Rodney Crain

Just yours

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Rodney Crain

Your wish, is my dream Tony!

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RJ King

2) You mean like the 12 for 30 FT we shot vs Syracuse in 2003? ha ha, I didn't think so (just teasing you). But I'd still take playing in another NC game!

5) Bunnies are perfect. Just MAKE them. And if close enough, shove it in. But NO thunderous rim slams for defensive rebounds.

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James Donnell

We were beaten by Akinjo and Miles in the last two games. Miles could do anything he wanted against any of our players. He made our guys look really bad. We had no answer. That is the offense we are missing. Our point guard committee isn’t working. If TCU is a 9 seed in the tourney, you get an idea of how well we will fare.

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Chad Smith

Hit it on the head. Miles looked like an NBA player out there. And maybe eventually he will be, but he did everything he wanted. Did he hit a couple of lucky shots, sure. But what allowed him that confidence was no resistance.

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Mallory Briggans

we were getting hammered on the boards ............so enter Zach Clemence he played all of 26 seconds .........................26 seconds 1 rebound 1 block '......Your starters arent rebounding ,your starters arent defending ...your starters arent scoring .........and these are the guys Self trusts...............so Remy Yesufu Zach JCL cant give you anything ?.....really !!!
Thats insulting to a player to give him 26 seconds ......to continue to start Harris ...so what youre telling me he is better than Remy Yesufu and when he was healthy Pettiford . JCL is the second best shooter on the team he hits a couple buckets and goes to sit These guys are tired .....these guys are beaten down because their best doesnt get you anywhere . The resrves are players that have been reduced to cheerleaders on the bench.

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Shannon Gustafson

Zach had to come out after 26 seconds because he was bleeding. Then he went to the locker room to get stitched up (or glued). By the time he got back the game was basically over.

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Joseph Bullock

There sure are a lot of fair weather fans here. And people who think they know everything, but really don’t! And the way you argue with, and criticize each other, is pathetic! And feel free to say what you want about me, because nothing you say to me can piss me off-you aren’t worth getting angry. Have a nice day, and Rock Chalk!

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Sam Constance

I was annoyed by last night's game because once again, KU got bullied and didn't really have a response. This team does some things very well, but they rely heavily on their offense (which is a problem when shots aren't falling) and they don't really have anyone on the team with the mentality necessary to come out on top in a rock fight.

Sadly, the way officials are calling the game this year, lacking that type of mentality is a death knell for having sustained success, especially in road games. And that's not to say that officials are calling games lopsided against Kansas--they aren't. But they are allowing defenses to do whatever they want to impede offensive players on and off the ball, and unfortunately for us, that's a big problem for *this* particular Kansas team. I would invest some hope in the idea that whistles will tighten up when we get to the postseason, but teams that have gotten by all year on heightened physicality aren't going to adjust on a dime, and our FT shooting woes mean that taking advantage of tighter officiated games will be difficult.

All that said, there's nothing quite like the chicken little histrionics in this comments section to serve as a good antidote to feeling down about the team/game. My favorite is the completely unhinged suggestion that we need new "leadership" aka, head coach. Calling for that after losing two projected tournament teams, on the road, during the middle of a stretch where they have to prepare for 4 games in 8 days is, frankly, insane.

Anyway, stay classy.

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RJ King

AMEN! Best comment here BY FAR.

You are spot on about the officiating. The style / emphasis this year (as corroborated by Jay Bilas) does not play into the hand of this current KU team. I was surprised that no one else mentioned it - not to blame the refs, but to understand the nuances and effects this type of officiating has on our team.

This team may not win a rock fight, but they are not "soft." Their talent is what it is, and I'd take them over the FOE tandem that bowed out early to VCU and N. Iowa ANY DAY.

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Brad Watson

We were playing better bball without Remy...this is not a vintage Kansas team...the Kentucky game showed me that either Las Vegas is very involved with outcomes...meaning coaches are on the take...or we have a really overrated team....when I say Las Vegas....look at last night...Nebraska beats Ohio State in Columbus...really...obviously no bets on Nebraska...Vegas makes the call...Nebraska wins...Vegas never loses...do your own analysis...there have been games all year ...all over the country that just don't make sense...gambling should be made illegal in amateur sports....pro is ok...that just entertainment anyway...coaches promising money to players families...easiest way is thru Vegas and shaving points and in some cases like the Kentucky game...just getting embarrassed. I tell it like I see it...its just an opinion...but start critically looking at the sport and you will see what I see.

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Bj Cassady

How about JWil as the point guard with CB and JCL in the back court with him, Dmac and OA for the starting five. Gives us much needed size. First in is Yesafu then Zack, Lightfoot then Harris. We need to have 5 guys who can shoot the ball on the court.

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Brad Watson

As far as Bill Self and the lifetime contract....he has earned that....but if he does leave...I think Coach Cal would leave Kentucky to come here...he loved his time here back in the early 80's ...this is the home of Basketball and to coach here is the ultimate...I think Mark Few would come here also...I would love if we had a home and home with Gonzaga every year....But I hope Coach stays a long time and continues to have fire in the belly to do it at a high level...but who knows what the penalties are and how it will effect him and all of us who support the program...TBD

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RJ King

Calimari is 63. Few is 59. They are not coming to Kansas.

but yeah, a home and home with the Zags would be good.

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Rodney Crain

Phew this was fun, everybody set for after the game tomorrow?

I think we blow away the 77 comments so far.

My keyboard is clean and ready to go!

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Shannon Gustafson

If we win there will be minimal comments, that's the way this place works. Any time there is a loss the Debby Downers come out in full force.

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Mallory Briggans

Brad to say Kansas plays better without Remy youre basically saying Harris is the answer. How does a 2 time Pac 12 first team in 20/21 2019/20 and 2nd team in 2018/19 .....he was a co-6th man of the year as a freshman . He was 6th all-time in scoring at ASU with 1754 2nd alltime in assists at ASU 466......and eighth alltime in steals at ASU with 151 ...you dont get steals by NOT playing some sort of defense. He was 3rd alltime in free throws made at 396 and if youre shooting freethrows that means your attacking the rim or drawing contact ......
Last year Remy averaged 19.1 ppg 3.7 assists 2.8 rebounds and 1.2 steals again last year
Oh by the way Remy will graduate with a BS degree in sociology .......

AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT REMY ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY ON KANSAS AND IS COMING OFF THE BENCH BEHIND AGENT ZERO ........

When Kansas signed Joel Embiid ,Self said JoJo was a project ,a 3 or 4 year player ,how did that work out , point being a coach also has to evaluate talent ....he didnt get Embiid right and hes wasted Remys talent ......well should i say he never got his opportunity to shine.

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Shannon Gustafson

No, when he wanted to quit because Black dominated him in practice, he told Embiid he'd be the #1 pick as a Sophomore...and he would have been if he didn't leave before that.

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RJ King

Mallory - Remy was a good player on a VERY CRAPPY team at ASU. The stats you quote are MEANINGLESS for his role on a Top-10 team like Kansas - where he is FAR from the best player on his team.

I work in sports tv and watched Remy for FOUR years. Other than last year's tournament run, the PAC-12 is a WEAK league with many bottom feeder games to pad stats. Hurley allowed Martin to shoot at will, producing some nice numbers for Remy, but not very many wins for ASU. Last year - or ANY year at ASU is irrelevant. The Pac-12 gives out TEN 1st team All-League honors, so a little watered down maybe?

When Remy signed with KU, I was pleased ... but only because it meant that he couldn't torch us on a particularly hot night with another team. I NEVER expected him to start. He's JUST NOT THAT GOOD. I was baffled when he worked out with the NBA.

The Pre-Season Big-12 Player of the Year was LAUGHABLE. I tried to temper fans expectations, but guess it fell on deaf ears. He was NEVER the savior. Remy seems like a good kid. We can love him like he loves the camera. I do feel bad for him if he believed his own hype. Maybe some additional sociology classes?

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Shannon Gustafson

Agreed. His volume scoring at ASU was also inefficient. He never shot a high percentage and was very streaky. When he was on, he was great offensively (as we saw when he beat us a few times) but those were not nightly occurrences. He had plenty "I'll just keep shooting bricks until I get mine" nights and that will NEVER fly while playing for KU with others as talented or more talented than him.

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Brad Watson

Remy has a lot of talent...it's not about talent...it's about being the right fit..

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Chad Smith

I am not on the fire BS train. I am critical of the entire team though after last night's game. it's a tough situation, but TCU is in the exact same boat. so you can't say they had an advantage other than playing that particular game at home. KU gets their last two at home and hopefully shows us some improvement. go grab a share of the big 12 title and then go show some strength on a "neutral" floor aka Allen east in the big 12 tourney. RCJH

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Shannon Gustafson

Now this is a thoughtful, rational, realistic view of the game and what's hopefully ahead of us. Bravo!

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Brad Watson

This team will not be making a deep run in the NCAA's.....but it will be nice to have a few Francilla less games to watch....Fran is a nice person...but I don't personally like him as a commentator....I would like ESPN to rotate their announcers every game....I would like to see Bill Walton do some of our games...every year it is this Francilla guy...game after game after game....... and I am personally tired of it.

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Tony Bandle

Brad, Bill Walton???......Dick Vitale Lite??? You must be a glutton for audio punishment, my friend!! :)

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Mallory Briggans

RJ im not saying Remy is the greatest player .The problem with Remy is he doesnt fit Bill Selfs style of play. Harris does but he doesnt give you anything......Dean Smith was the only person that held Micheal Jordan under 20 points but that team had other great players but Jordan played within Smiths system. Bottomline nothing will change Harris will continue to start ,Yesufu will come off the bench and we will continue to watch 4 on 5 basketball. As far as ASU being a crappy team ............................RJ ........did you forget that crappy ASU came into AFH ...and beat then No.2 Kansas Jayhawks Remy had 21 points 5 steals 2 assist and he didnt even start and that crappy was 8-0 coming into AFH they beat us at home !!!!! by 10 we were up 15 -2 early but lost to a crappy team . Hmmmmmm we had 4 future NBA players on that Kansas team ................but ASU was crappy

But wait it gets better !!!!!!!!
Not to be outdone by the game at AFH .........that crappy ASU beat beat our then No1 Kansas in Tempe ............AGAIN ...................so their crappy team beat us TWICE

But RJ you are right stats mean nothing .........Youre right Harris is better

As far as the Pac 12 being a weak conference we lost Stanford ( Wiggins Embiid)
we lost to OREGON ( Jackson ?Mason)
we lost to USC last year ALL IN THE TOURNEY
My apologies for giving you these stats RJ

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