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Regent: Big 12 still best fit for Kan. schools

— Kansas Board of Regents Chairman Ed McKechnie says the Big 12 remains the best fit for Kansas and Kansas State, regardless of whether Missouri is looking at other conferences.

Missouri's curators voted Tuesday to allow the university to explore other options rather than commit to staying with the soon-to-be nine-team Big 12.

McKechnie said Wednesday he's disappointed in Missouri's decision and believes it's not in the best interests of academics or student athletes.

He also says Kansas and Kansas State have options, but the Big 12 is the best option at this time.

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AlecRaenos

Great, Big 12 is our best option which means B1G is not an option.

Although he said "options" so I guess one could infer that there are multiple scenario's for Kansas if the Big 12 goes kaput. Just not the most ideal option the B1G

11 years, 2 months ago

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DevilHawk

As long as we are not dealing with super conferences the Big 12 is still the best conference for KU from all aspects except academic associations.

Joining the B1G would only accelerate the move to super conferences - which are not necessarily in the interest of the schools and are almost certainly not in the interest of student athletes at any level of competition.

11 years, 2 months ago

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MWShields

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Phoghorn

Or to say bye bye puddy tats...

11 years, 2 months ago

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AlecRaenos

For a basketball school, football still makes us more money. YOu dont throw away 17 million dollars a year.

The same is true for UNC and Kentucky and Duke as well. Even a crappy football program makes more money than an elite basketball program.

11 years, 2 months ago

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aerohawk

Not true. You are most likely confusing revenue and profits. There are a hand full of schools that make more off of basketball and KU is one of them.

11 years, 2 months ago

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Phoghorn

Mizzou leaving really isn't a big deal for either KU or K-State. KSU still has football, and a resurgent basketball team. I know that the BI6 supposedly does not allow in non-AAU schools, but the AAU does not seem to consider agricultural research - see NU getting dropped from the AAU, but not from the BI6.

KSU has the new bioterrorism research facility and plenty of cash to support it. This should make them attractive to the BI6 (assuming another AAU exception is made) along with KU. Both schools to the BI6 is the best option in my opinion - unless the Diminished 12 sticks together.

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ltownatrain

The problem is KSU really doesn't bring much in terms of market to BIG 10 as teh market they would want is KC and eastern Kansas, which, KU dominates. Not to mention KU has all the money, a National Name (Due to BB) and a gigantic 1 billion dollar endowment.

11 years, 2 months ago

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Phoghorn

True. I was not really thinking of KSU and KU in competition against each other for a slot in the BI6. You are absolutely right about KU bringing more of the KC market then KSU (or perhaps even Mizzou for that matter). Either school solidifies the Topeka and Wichita markets.

I think that the BI6 would probably take KU first (okay, I am biased), but I don't think that KSU is completely out of the picture - especially if the get AAU status. It is in the best interest of the entire state if they do.

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Phoghorn

To continue with the TV market theme...I am not certain how much the BI6 feels the need to add Mizzou to get St. Louis. They already have Illinois right next door. Of course if Mizzou goes to the SEC that is probably a moot point.

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ltownatrain

Thats exactly what I have been trying to tell some of my cough mizzou cough friends ( I got a Masters from UMKC so back off) and they don't seem to get that whole idea. The Big 10 knows they have a foothold in St. Louis already thanks to the woeful mizzou teams of 70's, 80's and 90's whereas they don't have a foothold in KC, which, KU holds. Not to mention KU already has a pretty good foothold in Big 10 country since it seems like every other out of state student is from Chicago.

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Vernon Riggs

Mizzou is looking. Big deal. Lookin' ain't buyin'. A 10-team Big12 or a 12-team Big12 will have a bigger payout per team than a 14-team SEC. Add the $20 million exit fee and take away a portion of the Texas AM exit fee, Mizzou is upside-down for 10 year or more. Mizzou will have a losing record each year after playing Bama, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, etc. and will not be bowl-eligible. When was the last bowl game that Vandy played in?

Even a Tiger can make this decision. Mizzou stays and announces their decision by the weekend.

11 years, 2 months ago

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chalmers08

I agree that people are jumping off the ledge about Missouri maybe leaving. The conference will stick together its just a matter of how many teams they add. There are some good options such as louisville,Cincy,BYU,TCU,Memphis and WVU!!

11 years, 2 months ago

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Raymond Wright

Wait, is someone claiming moo is a football school?

11 years, 2 months ago

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Marvin Koelsch

Well, MizZOO isn't much of a basketball school.

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jgkojak

Have some vision.

If we don't got to the Superconferences - great - we are best off in the B12 with or without Mizzou. As long as Tex. and Oklahoma are there, we're making top money and playing high quality competition with great travel.

If we do get the Superfconfs...

The B10 requires all its members to be AAU (except Nebraska, who WAS AAU when they were invited).

Here is a list of AAU schools in Central or Eastern time zones not currently affiliated with the ACC or SEC:
Rutgers
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri (cross off list)

If the B10 needs Notre Dame plus 3 - Kansas isn't even the 16th team with Mizzou out of the picture. I'd guess our B10 invite would come.

And no way they touch the SEC-tainted MU.

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142466

ISU is a darhorse candidate to enter the Big10. People in Kansas & Missouri underrate the Cyclones because they're the B12 school that KU, MU, and KSU most often beat in BB and FB. And because Ames is not near any big city.

But consider.

ISU is an AAU member, while many other schools aren't. I've consistently heard from many sources over the years that their engineering school is first rate.

Geographically, ISU fits perfectly. They're surounded by Gophers, Hawkeyes, and Huskers. And I would expect those 3 schools to lobby the B10 for ISU's inclusion.

In sports, the Cyclones will not embarrass the B10. In the B12 they usually finish in the bottom third, but they don't embarrass.

Big negative for them is that they don't bring in any new TV sets. But should the BCS conferences get into a race to 16 and the B12 is gone, ISU is a decent candidate.

11 years, 2 months ago

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Tim Orel

Plus they just got a Nobel Prize today for one of their faculty.

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baldwinjhawk

The reason Iowa state isn't in the big is because Iowa doesn't want them in. Also their fanbase is ranked at # 70.. five places below KState. Ku comes in at 39th with 895,000 mizzou is 29th with 1.4

11 years, 2 months ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

...and the band kept playing as the ship went down...

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Tony Bandle

At this point, I don't believe anyone, all options are still open everywhere and there's a whole hell of a lot of shoes ready to drop!!!

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Totally agree. Things are on hold until after the season and then watch out!

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blindrabbit

Maybe the talk about pursuing BigEast schools to join the conference makes more sense that I originally realized. The 8 remaining "football" schools in the Big12: isu,ksu,ou,osu,Baylor,Texas Tech, Texas and Missouri could join in full standing; whereas KU would join only in basketball. By doing this KU could avoid all the negative comments about our football program, including those about poor fan dedication. In this situation, KU would join the likes of Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, Marquette, Sisters of the Poor, et. al.

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gorilla10

Or we could just get rid of fans like you that show no support for our football program and move along without you.....This was the dumbest post I've read in a while! Let just throw this program out the window because they aren't any good......nice way of dealing with adversity! ha

11 years, 2 months ago

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Michael Maris

And like I've said before, people who have NO idea as to what is better for Kansas Athletics making decisions for KU Athletics.

Members consist of Newman University (Wichita), Pitt - State, 2 from Wichita State and 1 with K-State ties and 2 with KU ties. So, appointed individuals with NO connections to Kansas or Kansas State are going to make the decisions that they think are best for the State's 2 biggest Institutions.

Absolutely absurd. These people have NO idea or clue. Appointed by a Governors (that are no longer in office anyway). I say that KU Administration better make the right decisions as to what is right for KU Athletics (and IGNORE the Kansas BOR).

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texashawk10

Problem with your idea is that the Kansas BoR has to approve any move KU or KSU makes to another conference and if KU gets an offer somewhere and KSU doesn't, will the BoR follow through on earlier statements of the two schools not officially being tied together or will they screw the state of Kansas into not having a school in a major conference in the future.

11 years, 2 months ago

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pgittemeier09

this has nothing to do with mizzou....it has everything to do with ed making stupid statements about how ku and kstate are tied at the hip....why let 1 ship go down when you can let 2?

11 years, 2 months ago

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Eric Dawson

Clearly "the Big 12 is the best option at this time", but really, what other realistic BCS options do they have that are even close to continuing in the Big 12? NONE at present, to the best of our knowledge.

What *do* we know -- or at least *think* we know -- based on what has transpired so far?

1. SEC will stop at 14 for the foreseeable future, the only question is who will #14 be?

2. The B1G has consistently given every indication that it is *not* interested in expanding beyond its current 12 team membership -- unless, of course, Notre Dame and/or Texas were suddenly willing to join the B1G on the B1G's terms.

3. The ACC delivered another gut wound to the Big East with its acceptance of Syracuse and Pitt as the newest ACC members, and it may still add UConn (who really wants to go ACC) and Rutgers (who is also interested, but would seem to prefer the B1G, who isn't offering).

4. The Pac12 presidents have also unanimously indicated contentment with their current 12 team scenario. The consensus opinion after this was announced was that the Pac12 really wasn't interested in OU (and OSU) unless Texas joined as a package -- but Texas had to be willing to join the club and play by Pac12 rules. They weren't, and there really weren't any other programs the Pac12 thought would be a slam-dunk value add to the conference.

5. Texas is not going to give in on its Longhorn Network unless the only other option is to go independent -- and it might just go independent if need be. After all, it is Texas *cough*cough*.

During all of this, we have been told -- and I believe -- that the KU and KSU leaderships have been diligently working behind the scenes to try to land a berth in a conference outside of the Big 12. But there have been *no* signs, not even the slightest rumor, that either school has received any encouragement from any other BCS conference outside of the Big East, which is currently in worse shape than the Big 12, and would definitely be a step down for both schools.

So in reality, KU's and KSU's options -- to the best of our knowledge today -- are as follows:

1. As long as Texas and OU are members, the Big 12 will be a viable BCS conference, so staying with the Big 12 is the best option for both schools.

2. If other conferences change their minds and decide to go bigger, but are only interested in Texas and OU, KU and KSU will both be looking at the Mountain West, because the Big East will be picked clean of its quality schools and those left won't justify the Big East being an Automatic BCS qualifier after next summer's BCS evaluations.

*That's* what we know, based on *everything* that has been discussed and even rumored so far this year.

Or do you really know something we don't, McKechnie?

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pgittemeier09

the only thing that ed knows is that he wants KU and kstate on the same level as pitt state and the rest of the kansas schools

11 years, 2 months ago

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statesupporter

Maybe the Jayhawks could learn something from Pittsburg State. They have won three football national championshps and played for many more. Have you ever been to Pittsburg on a gameday? Unbelievalbe atmosphere. If Lawrence did anything close to resemble the atmosphere that Pittsburg State has created, the incredible insecurtiy most on this message board are dealing with would be gone. You do realize that North Dakota State was once a great rival of Pittsburg State a few short years ago. And, you do remember what happend last year, right? Heck, PSU played the opening game in the once brand new Fargo Dome. Like it or not, KU is a public institution. Same as K-State, same as Pitt State. PSU and Northwest Missouri State paved the way for Missouri and Kansas to play their game in KC. You can debate over prestige, and win. But this deal is political and we have a system for it. Be greatful that we have a BOR chairman who loves athletics more than the casual observer. KU is going to be fine, in a major conference. We are not Memphis, Tulsa, Boise, or Tulane. We are the University of Kansas and that is a brand the entire country respects. So is Kansas State. So is Pittsburg State at its level. Has anyone questioned Sam Brownback about his stance? My guess is Ed might be speaking for him.

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ltownatrain

You mean take their 1 billion dollar endowment and the ever shrinking state commitment and become a private school? Sadly of all schools that could pull it off KU would be the one.

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ltownatrain

Well actually I got one of my degrees from UMKC and the UM system has 1 board of curators over their schools, however, they also have checks and balances in place to ensure it's not lopsided as all schools get a say in at least one of the board members.

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ltownatrain

Touche

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question4u

Wow! Why not put the hysterics on ice and read the article again?

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pgittemeier09

i think he hit the nail right on the head....why dont you go back and read the article

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texashawk10

If MU does leave the Big 12 and Texas and OU both stay for the long term, the Big 12 could be the one to kill off the Big East if they go to 12 in football and 16 in basketball. I don't believe a pod system will ever be a great option in football as that effectively creates two mini-conferences that change membership every two years. If you go the WAC route, pod 1 and 4 never play each other outside of a title game, and pod 2 and 3 never play outside of a title game. The other way of rotating every pod every 2 years means a school goes 4 years between playing teams outside their pod, but neither option sounds very appealing to me. In basketball however, a 16 team pod system would be a viable option as it lends itself to an 18 game conference schedule with a home and home with those in your pod and then one game against everyone else.

What am I getting at with this? It sounds like Missouri has one foot out the door right now (stop me if you've heard that one before) and is waiting to see if they can get the votes to get into the SEC before announcing anything leaving the Big 12 with 8. As long as Texas and OU are in the Big 12, that will be the best option for KU. Bring in BYU, Louisville, Cincy, and WVU and the football is still very respectable and competitive and brings the league back to 12 and is at worst the #3 football conference. Split the divisions so Texas and OU are in opposite divisions because a Texas/OU Big 12 title game would be big draw at Jerryworld that would draw 100,000 plus if Jerry chooses to setup the seating for that configuration.

In basketball, invite Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and Marquette as basketball only members and that is at worst the #2 basketball conference if those schools are interested in boosting their basketball profiles while staying with some Big East members. If they are interested, the 4 pods for basketball would be pretty easy to setup:

Pod 1: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, BYU
Pod 2: Kansas, Kansas St., OU, OSU
Pod 3: Iowa St., Louisville, Cincy, Marquette
Pod 4: Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, West Virginia

That's seven out of 16 teams that have won a national title in their history and 9 out of 16 that have reached a Final Four in the past decade so you can't say that this isn't a dominant basketball conference. Will this happen? Probably not, but it's an option that keeps the Big 12 as a top 3 conference overall across the board.

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Kevin Huffman

I think if Mizzou leaves you'll see the craziness of a Big XII / Big East merger + BYU. I think they'd probably do 4-team Quads

NW = BYU, KU, KSU & ISU
SW = OU, OSU, UT & TTech
SE = Baylor, TCU, USF & L'ville
NE = UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati & WVU

For football, you play all three in your quad + 2 (on a rotating basis) from the other 3 quads. Not exactly sure how Basketball would work.

I would LOVE it if somehow inexplicably we could actually get Notre Dame in place of one of the others. ....TCU, maybe? I know...crazy dream, but I would have to think that the Big East, in terms of football HAS TO think that it can't keep itself together simply by adding Air Force, Navy & East Carolina!!! I think I'd like this 16-team league more than being Missouri in the SEC! :) lol

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scraptown

Dear jayhawks,
I know you don't want to be in this boat with us, and your feelings are really hurt on account of your inflated ego being punctured, but we really need you to quit your whining and help us paddle before we get any further up this creek.

Sincerely,
Wildcats

PS. Just because the tigers got asked to dance and you didn't doesn't mean you're not still pretty, just a little high maintenance, and seemingly on your period.

11 years, 2 months ago

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Andy Tweedy

I actually find your post pretty funny!

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142466

I am an old man. I was born in Kansas and lived there for 60 years before moving to SOCAL. Most Kansans, I believe, consider Kansas to be a western State, not an Eastern one. I believe that a large majority of residents of the other current B12 States view themselves the same way. For purposes of B12 expansion, I'm omitting the "Midwestern" label because there aren't any BCS caliber uncommited Midwestern schools.

The league should get 3 (4, if Mizzou departs) academically acceptable, proven football schools from the Mountain States. (OK, one could come from Texas. That would work.). Do not go east to find new members, especially if Mizzou leaves, unless we have no other choice. Historically, Midwesterners and Texans (maybe, excluding Houstonians) have had so much more in common, on many fronts, with the Mountain States, rather than with the East. College sports is the primary way in which the masses of people from different States compare each other and interact. That is why it is unthinkable that KU would ever join the SEC. It would be supremely insulting to Kansas' historical roots.

Go west, young man.

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Vernon Riggs

Name 3 or 4 'academically acceptable, proven football schools from the Mountain States' that would join the Big12

1. Air Force
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142466

Air Force , BYU, and Boise. The fourth new member would be TCU, Rice, Houston, or New Mexico I will admit that Boise and Houston are not ivy halls of scholarship. Big East, ACC, Big10, SEC, and B12 all have 1 or 2 schools that academically lag behind the other members. As long as the conference doesn't add too many of such schools and no member is a joke, academically, it's okay.
By proven football schools, what I'm trying to say is that, football wise, they're not pansies, that they do have a history of regularly playing some decent schools each year without being regularly trounced, and the B12 Commissioneer and current member schools are convinced that they can gradually improve.

Seems to me that the Mountain schools and the Texas schools would be firmly committed members. The conference would be more stable. Most eastern schools who would join the B12, if they experience sports success, would be much more vulnerable to being poached into more geographically compatable conferences, than Mountain and Texas schools. Especially if Mizzou leaves.

I did say that if the B12 has no other choice, then it will have to look east. The addition of new members must not jeopardize the B12's BCS status. But it's not neccessary that every one of the new members bring both excellent academic credentials and great FB programs.

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scarletbhound

I get your point about Kansas being more of a western than eastern state with its cowboy heritage etc. The problem is that KU is first and foremost a basketball school. Basketball is primarily an East Coast sport, an urban centered sport. The time differences mean that KU would never be seen in such talent-rich places as NYC, Philly, Baltimore etc. That means the future TTaylors, TRobs, etc. would have little exposure to Kansas and look elsewhere. While the west has some good teams -- UCLA, Arizona -- they are almost afterthoughts in national basketball discussions. No one on the east coast is going to stay up past midnight to watch a KU-Cal game. But they would love to watch a KU-Georgetown or Temple contest.

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Michael Bowden

Espn reports MU is pretty much gone and the big 12 has been in talks with adding Tulane? Serious?

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142466

I just went to ESPN's web sight and read the article. It's a funny article, although the unidentified high level source from Mizzou didn't think it would turn out that way. Mizzou proclaims that it wants in the SEC and then this high level source describes the SEC as "that's what we're left with". Advice to any of you guys that are single----Don't say that to your fiance and then propose to her.

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blackhawkjayhawk

The SEC now replaces the ACC and PAC 97 as the dumbest conference in the land. Their additions? A&M and Missouri, nothing but mid-level members of our conference. Both schools will get crushed in football while their administrators count the money the SEC is offering.

If you replace Missouri and A&M with TCU and SMU, you probably are upgrading the conference. The football is an even swap, you now travel to Dallas to help your Texas recruiting and you never have to smell the stench of Columbia again. Please, please, please MU - go to the SEC.

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buckleyhawk

if we have an offer to the b-10...jump.

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OCJHAWK

If we have a BCS offer leave the sinking ship now.

Only a matter of time before TX/OU melts or causes a meltdown again.

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jchief40

OK final prediction: Big 12 will add BYU and Boise St (ideal travel partners, recently signed a deal together through 2023 - a budding rivalry?) along with Air Force. I think it makes more sense. Air Force is no pushover in football, adds national appeal and brings Colorado back in the mix. Then Missouri should stay. If for some reason MU still bolts I think TCU comes aboard. Problem solved.

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142466

Yes, provided that OU & UT approve it. And provided that both OU and UT have taken the neccessary steps to convince the NCAA, the BCS people , and all interested NCAA schools that they are commited to the B12, long term.

But has all the discord and deceit that's already on record made it impossible for OU & UT to convince all interested parties that they are committed?

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wtfusa

B1G or bust for Kansas, we must appeal to the seniblities of schools like Purdue, Indiana, and Illinois to get in (trust me we can). I really don't understand why people don't get BYU's position: they want to be the Mormon Notre Dame, and as long as they have a 10 game series with ND they aren't going to quit on the NATIONAL tv market they have. The B1G has a softer spot for basketball than most other conferences (schools like IU, MSU, OSU, PU, WIS, IL!!), KU must tout to the B1G that it will be the closest school to Texas recruits out of the new B16 and its football has won a modern BCS bowl (how many B1Gs can say that?!). Even if MU goes SEC, there is plenty of SEC hate in the B1G and vise-versa to personify into a new Border War between cross-conference rivals KU-MU.

However, I believe KSU has effectively tied us down. Unlike the regents of upper-class state academic institutions like PU or IU, our regents work for other universities (not unlike a centrally planned economy). Alas if only we had an independent BOR, we would be out of the BXII by now. I still trust BGL, SZ is too committed to the Big WTF now. Unless we are aggressive with expansion in the next week I don't see a future of our conference. WVU, Cincy, LU to keep MU in?! Boise? New Mexico should get a look. no Memphis. longshots that could happen: Miami(OH) and Northern Illinois.

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wtfusa

Also if you have to pick up a Texas school, pick up Rice. Every conference has it's Vanderbilt or Northwestern already. Academics do have to count at some point. I think Rice would be the least antagonizing school from Texas to add as well (TCU and SMU are...fullblowntexanmadcowdisease)

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jchief40

Dumb

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Hammertoe

The Big 12 is KU's best option because it's the only option. Every Big 12 team that has received an invitation to another conference that taken it.... KU's name has only been mentioned nationally as a possible Big East candidate with the other Big 12 "left behinds".... 40 wins in the last 4 years in football and 6 million people in the state give Mizzou credibiltiy and options......

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kureader

Still lonesome, because KState doesn't have its own blog?

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scraptown

Exactly, if ku had options they would have immediately forfeit their rights to legal action against exiting schools, because they wouldn't want legal action against them, bottom line is they have had no interest from other conferences, no matter how badly you would like to believe otherwise.

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