Could KU freshman Silvio De Sousa's situation become Billy Preston Part II?

Kansas forward Silvio De Sousa comes in for a dunk during practice on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at Intrust Bank Arena in Wichita, Kan.

Kansas forward Silvio De Sousa comes in for a dunk during practice on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at Intrust Bank Arena in Wichita, Kan. by Nick Krug

When it comes to the concept of worst case scenarios, the thought is so subjective that it can mean different things to different people.

In the world of sports, when you're talking worst case scenarios, you could be talking about outcomes, injuries, seasons and more.

For the Kansas men's basketball team, which is coming off of its first trip to the Final Four in six years and facing the very real scenario of losing four of its five starters from that team — with one more, in sophomore center Udoka Azubuike, still contemplating his future — the idea of worst case scenario for the 2018-19 season has quickly morphed from wondering who would start and how the team would look, into bringing the FBI's investigation of college basketball into the picture.

To this point, according to a superseding indictment released last week by the U.S. Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York, KU's link to the investigation is limited to a couple of unnamed players and their parents/guardians allegedly taking money from one of the defendants named in the indictment.

While the identity of the two KU players referenced in the document is unknown, specific dates, sources at other news outlets and general speculation have pegged Billy Preston and Silvio De Sousa as the likely identities of those two unnamed players.

Time will tell if that is accurate, but let's assume for a second, while looking ahead to next season, that it is.

It remains to be seen whether KU (a) will find itself linked further in the ongoing investigation, (b) will face any NCAA penalties as a result of the investigation when all is said and done, whenever that is, or (c) will move forward with any kind of internal investigation that might lead to a better understanding of KU's link to this mess.

And it's far too early to know or even speculate about any of that at this point.

But getting back to the idea of worst case scenarios, let's dive into that topic a little more, as it pertains to the two players mentioned in the indictment.

If one of them is Preston, KU may be in the clear on that one, at least moving forward. For one, the indictment does not allege any wrongdoing by KU. For two, Preston never played an official minute for that Jayhawks. So his involvement, if proven and later revealed, is almost irrelevant for Kansas at this point.

If De Sousa is the other player, that becomes a different story. The biggest reason many believe that the 6-foot-9 freshman from IMG Academy who joined KU midway through the 2017-18 season is one of the two players referenced stems from the date of his commitment — Aug. 30, 2017 — which the indictment uses when introducing a second player.

Because De Sousa did play in several games — 20 to be exact — and because he could be deemed ineligible if the allegations are proven true, De Sousa's future with the Jayhawks becomes a little bit murky.

Again, with the FBI investigation still ongoing, it's unlikely that KU or any other university will face any kind of penalty from the NCAA until there is concrete proof of an infraction or some kind of ruling.

Sources told the Journal-World that the FBI, in no uncertain terms, has told the NCAA to stay far away from its investigation until it is closed.

That leaves the De Sousa situation in a strange spot.

In monitoring Twitter, messages boards and general conversation about De Sousa, it seems clear that most people believe that the worst case scenario for KU — again, as things stand today — would be that De Sousa eventually is ruled ineligible and does not play another game for the Jayhawks.

While that would be a blow to KU's roster, there actually is a worse worst case scenario out there. And it involves De Sousa staying on the roster.

Here's how that would play out.

If the investigation somehow wraps up and the allegations are proven true — or worse — and KU is forced to part ways with De Sousa, the KU program would get his scholarship back — provided KU is not found to be culpable in any way — and Bill Self and company would at least be able to find a replacement for his spot.

Granted, that replacement probably would not be a 6-9, 245-pound physical specimen with serious skills and a pro basketball future, but somebody is better than nobody.

The real worst case scenario for Kansas has the case still ongoing and De Sousa's status in limbo entering the 2018-19 season. And it's not hard to envision that happening. Sure, the 2017-18 season just ended, but the start of next season is just six months away and I have yet to talk to anybody who believes the FBI will be wrapped up in six months.

So what KU could be facing is Billy Preston Part II, a situation where the Kansas coaching staff has to decide whether to play De Sousa and risk using an ineligible player or hold him out, like they did Preston, until the whole thing is cleared up.

That, at least in my eyes, would be the true worst case scenario because it not only would keep a player's status in limbo, but it also would eat up a scholarship and keep a major distraction hovering around the program.

Time will tell how it all plays out. On one hand, KU could be cleared entirely and, on the other, KU could be dragged down a path that has the program wishing for the De Sousa dilemma. And then there's the in between.

Regardless of where KU falls on that spectrum, the guess here is that none of it is going to be resolved quickly.

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Jason Venable

Perhaps Self needs to rethink his recruiting strategy. Go with high 3 star or any 4 star players. Seems to work well with a lot of other schools, why not KU? With the amount of "coincidences" over the last few years something is not right with our program.

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Craig Carson

he already does that..it isnt like his teams are always full of NBA caliber players..hell, neither Svi nor Graham are promised to get drafted despite them being 5* players coming into KU

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Jim Stauffer

Craig,
That is the point. One five star seems to be messing up every class. Even those we skate by with seem to later come under some suspicion.

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Daniel Kennamore

Exactly.

We've been playing with fire for years now. When's the last season we DIDN'T have an eligibility issue?

Self's be involving us with some pretty shady players for a while now and the chickens have come home to roost.

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Doug Horn

Just remember that every big name school in America is on the list from the first FBI announcement back in September. Duke, UNC, Michigan State, Kentucky, Arizona, KU and many others. This is bigger than KU. The only reason we know about any of this is because the FBI is involved and they have the power to force people to talk.

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Daniel Kennamore

Multiple wrongs don't make a right.

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Geoffrey Alonso

This is an Adidas issue though. They have repeatedly said based on current information that KU doesn't appear to have done anything wrong in these matters. These are 17-20 yr old kids. There is going to be a certain amount that make mistakes/don't fit. Especially with the insanely intense scrutiny. It isn't solely 5*, look at Greene, or Bragg in recent years. Kids make bad decisions especially when they get around sleazy agents and business reps.

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Joe Ross

No he doesn't.

Every elite program takes a risk when signing a blue-chip player. NOT signing blue chip players makes you less competitive. The best middle ground between the two is to keep your nose clean from the coaching staff's perspective while still going after the players. If we failed to and Kansas started going 20-10 (hypothetically), getting poor seeding, etc., you'd think differently. The fact is, we're spoiled at Kansas and take winning for granted. Then when we lose (for example, the few games we lost in AFH last season), fans are up in arms and calling for heads to roll.

Not going after good players is a short-sighted proposition, and there remains things Kansas can do to put pressure on Adidas. One is to not sign the endorsement/outfitting contract on the table, pending investigation, assurances, etc. If Kansas demanded more money, for example, because it assumes a greater risk with Adidas (vs. Nike, say), then you can be sure Adidas would respond by making sure it undertakes better vetting and monitoring of its agents and representatives. Or, Kansas could just threaten to leave the contract and accomplish the same thing. They could also address the issue in recruits homes. "No matter where you decide to play, we recommend that in the current climate of investigations and the like, that you protect your family, yourself and your eligibility by not accepting benefits from reps."

But certainly, avoiding top prospects is NOT a genius move. (This is not to say the 3 and 4-star prospects don't have their place in Kansas basketball. They do. But a team composed entirely of them won't compete for National Championships, and even if they did it would be far less often than even now.)

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Shannon Gustafson

That's certainly the dumbest post of the day. Let's purposely make our teams significantly worse because all of the shoe companies are paying the parents of the majority of top prospects.

Did you ever consider that KU is not dirty BECAUSE they have held out a handful of kids recently, but rather they are "clean" because they have chosen not to play kids when they get a tidbit of info that makes them question their eligibility? If all of these top kids are getting paid but all of the other schools aren't holding anybody out because of eligibility concerns, their compliance office is either inept, or they are simply ignoring their findings and playing the kids anyways.

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Jason Venable

KU is a dirty program. And your post is out right dumb. You think we're that clean? I've got some land to sell you..

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Cary Ediger

how much an acre ?

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Jonathan Allison

Your comments don't pass the troll test.

You suggest that KU is a dirty program and should stick to recruiting 3 star and 4 star players in order to stay out of NCAA trouble and on the same article post the Kentucky is clean, even with the wealth of 5 star one and done talent they bring in year after year.

Star freshman that sign at Kentucky for their one and done pitstop before they go pro are somehow less likely to be enticed by shoe-co $$$s just because Kentucky has a history of sending kids to the NBA after one season? That argument is completed flat.

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Jason Venable

How many times has UK been brought into national spotlight for dirty recruiting? I'm not a troll, then again I'm not a lifer spending time commenting on articles such as you Johny boy. Self would and will be better developing players that reach junior.senior status than to go after late signees that have proven to be nothing but trouble in the end. JJ was good but his mom is a f-ing liar like the rest of the parents/guardians that are in "the clear". deny...deny..deny.

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Brian Babcock

Jason, I'm confused. At least two different times - today - in this one thread you have referred to not replying all of the time. This comment and one several hours ago:
Who's a troll? You mean not being a constant person to reply to all shat stated on here? I've got better things to do than to reply every single day. Troll? Get a life Johnny boy. JFC. Idiot.

For clarification, does having better things to do than replying daily mean that you do it four times a day? Because that's what I'm seeing. You also mentioned in another comment something about 'reading comments through the years.' Jason Todd joined in 2018. How many aliases on this blog do you have? How big of a lifer are you really?

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Shannon Gustafson

You mean besides UK being one of the named schools in this FBI indictment? If you're going to pick a school that's "clean" in your mind, you should at least pick one that hasn't been part of the current FBI investigation (yet). The FBI says KU is a VICTIM in their own documents and you're using it as proof of KU's guilt while saying KU is clean when the same FBI investigation says they aren't.

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Marius Rowlanski

And you're a troll. That's how life is Dunker. Go back under the bridge.

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Marius Rowlanski

You start off stupid and that was your high point.

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Joey Russell

Does the ncaa clearinghouse only look at a student's grades when allowing them to participate in intercollegiate athletics?

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Jonathan Allison

Bill Self was on the record stating that the NCAA was reviewing De Sousa's amateur status in December. And it was basically described as a review of whether or not he had played violated his amateur status prior to moving to the USA.

This is one article out of many that touched on it:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/ja...

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Cary Ediger

I look for the rest of the “blue” blood school names to pop up in the next month or so with the FBI. I would be shocked if NC, Duke, Kentucky and others are not in the news soon. Not saying they did anything wrong, I just don’t see how the shoe agents are not involved with every major program out there.

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Jason Venable

I'm not sure if UK has done anything wrong. Cal has made it known to the public what his intentions are for his players, to go to the NBA. So really, his recruiting is not as tough to get those players. Those players are essentially looking at his program and what he has done for numerous players getting into the league. And he runs an NBA-like play style.

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Cary Ediger

Not saying UK did anything wrong, it is the shoe agents paying someone to go somewhere and wear "X" type shoes on national tv.

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Jonathan Allison

Troll

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Jason Venable

Who's a troll? You mean not being a constant person to reply to all shat stated on here? I've got better things to do than to reply every single day. Troll? Get a life Johnny boy. JFC. Idiot.

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Craig Carson

@ Jason...its obvious you are a UK trolling on a KU board..take your A$$ back to that garbage sea of blue message board..and dont try that "im not a UK fan im just being real" excuse..you are a UK fan

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Len Shaffer

Yeah, sure Jason, and the fact that Calipari has put two other programs on probation and had their Final Fours vacated is completely irrelevant ...

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Marius Rowlanski

Guessing that is why your name dates back to April 3, 2018. Too afraid to post anything other than behind a fake name.

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Jesse Johnson

They all already were implicated in the Yahoo sports story from February:
https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-fe...

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Gerry Butler

They ALREADY have been listed among many , many other schools in the FBI probe just nothing coming to the front - - yet

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Jesse Johnson

Can someone ELI5 (explain to me like I'm 5) why Deandre Ayton and Miles Bridges were both cleared immediately by the NCAA to continue playing last season when there was smoking gun evidence that they or their parents received impermissible benefits, but now that the same thing is happening to De Sousa, he may be in limbo for several months?

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Matt Tait

Great question and one I'll definitely look more into. My initial answer is that the schools quickly did their own investigations and deemed them to be eligible, but I'm not 100 percent sure on that or if there was more to it or not. Thanks for the question.

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Doug Horn

The difference with Miles Bridges is that he was on the ledger for a meal he and his family had with an agent. Miles made a donation to a charity equal to the meal that he got. And then the NCAA cleared him of everything. I am not sure how Deandre Ayton got to play. As far as I know he was cleared by Arizona to play. Not sure if the NCAA ruled on this. Ultimately this comes down to what KU, Coaches and DeSousa knew. If none of them knew about the money then how can the NCAA take anything away? The NCAA set the standard when they allowed Cam Newton to play in the National Championship game because Auburn and Cam didn't know about the money his dad took. And the NCAA ruled Cam cleared to play. So the NCAA cleared DeSousa to play this year, so if we didn't know about the money and DeSousa didn't know about it? We should be clear. But I think KU needs to bench DeSousa until the NCAA clears him again, to keep our pattern of benching until cleared when something comes to light. After all that is what ultimately saves us from any issues with the Billy Preston information!

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Daniel Kennamore

Also something key to note about the difference in the Bridges case:

The impermissible benefit was the cost of a single meal...not possibly thousands of dollars like De Sousa.

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Craig Carson

also remember that Duke went through this with Corey Maggette in 1999 when it was proved he received benefits..Duke successfully argued and proved they were the unknowing victim and were absolved of wrong doing ..they also got to keep all their wins

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Joe Rusk

They haven't been cleared by the NCAA. The schools determined that they may as well keep playing. If Ayton is found guilty, Arizona would take a loss for all of the games he played in as he would be ineligible. He had already played in about 17 games when it was announced, so the whole season would be nearly forfeit at that point.

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Jesse Johnson

Miles Bridges was cleared by the NCAA literally the next day:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...

But it looks like you're right on Ayton. Arizona just decided to take their chances with him. At least for them, it wasn't a particularly noteworthy season that they would forfeit.

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Joe Ross

I wondered the same thing. In the case of Kansas, these decisions have never gone quickly. Josh Selby, Cliff Alexander, Cheick Diallo, Billy Preston, and others have all taken months to sort out! The quick clearance of Ayton and Bridges might otherwise make some fans susceptible to conspiratorial thinking, or at least a fit of anger due to an apparent inconsistency.

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Shannon Gustafson

Here is the easy answer:

At this point, none of this has anything to do with the NCAA, it's the FBI, so all play/don't play decisions are made by the SCHOOLS not the NCAA.

So those other schools decided to gamble and play them, KU doesn't do it that way. Self has shown multiple times that if he has any question about their eligibility, he doesn't play them until the NCAA says they are cleared.

The NCAA won't make decisions based on the FBI findings until after the FBI cases have concluded and all evidence has been presented and is available to the public. At that point the NCAA will either decide to penalize the vast majority of the top 25 programs in the country and vacate hundreds of wins, championships, etc., or they will decide to simply use the information gathered by the FBI to change how the NCAA rules are written and not delete years of basketball history.

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Jesse Johnson

The NCAA did rule on Bridges and cleared him almost immediately:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...

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Daniel Kennamore

Shannon, the NCAA can and will make decisions well before the investigation concludes.

They already ruled on Bridges at Michigan State based on the first release of info about this investigation.

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Shannon Gustafson

They've only ruled on the insignificant ones that can easily be paid back. The small monetary issues that have never traditionally resulted in vacated wins or other serious penalties. The ones that are tens of thousands of dollars are the ones that could result in serious penalties and the NCAA hasn't touched those and most likely won't any time soon.

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Marius Rowlanski

Not sure about being easy but what you suggest is a possible/probable resolution.

Well, it makes sense which might get it shut down in advance.

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Regardless of what happens to Silvio and KU here -- this POS guardian needs to have whatever book(s) applicable thrown at him -- he needs to stay away from HS players no matter what country they are from. He has proven himself unworthy and wouldn't be surprised if he has done this with more than Silvio and just got caught this time.Yeah I know -- he says he didn't do it...but his answers to the allegations don't add up at all. He doesn't care about the schools (like KU) he is pushing the kids to - so he is screwing these schools and the kids while trying to line his pockets. Good riddance!

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Michael Noland

I think that, by far, the worst case scenario is for the NCAA to declare De Sousa ineligible for the 2017-18 season and require that KU vacate the 14th conference title. That is the biggest achievement of the KU program. Lots of programs, including KU, have won national titles. Only one has won 14 consecutive power conference titles. That would be a terrible thing to lose.

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Paul Livingston

I'm actually somewhat optimistic that won't happen. The NCAA went through a very public and drawn out process to initially declare Silvio eligible in the first place. So if they go back and say he's ineligible they would essentially say "we took a month to clear this kid, AND in the process we missed something egregious and obvious." The powers to be in the NCAA are too egotistical to admit any error on their part.

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Daniel Kennamore

You assume the NCAA has any shame.

This case is not all that different than the UMASS case in 96 that cost them their FF banner.

In both cases, the schools knew absolutely nothing about the improper benefits...but they lost their banner just the same. We will too if the allegations prove true.

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Craig Carson

@Daniel..difference with UMASS is it directly involved a player, Camby..as it stands now, Silvio is said to have no knowledge on what happened

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Jay Hawkinson

This is a good point. I would also add that the federal prosecutors are confident they can prove that there was a deliberate effort to conceal the payments from KU. It would look very bad for the NCAA to strip KU of its accomplishes this year if it has been proven in a court of law that they payments were deliberately concealed from KU.

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Jason Venable

I'll take a FF banner over a conference title any day. Shouldn't KU alums, boosters, fans expect more that just conference titles?

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Shannon Gustafson

You think the NCAA would somehow strip the conference title (which is up to the CONFERENCE not the NCAA) but not strip the FF banner which is an NCAA event? Come on now, lets use a little common sense here.

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Jason Venable

Perhaps you ought to comprehend what I said before replying Shannon. FF banners over conference banners any day. 3 FF banners in 15 years is far below expectations and money paid out. Hell, Wright has a lot of early exits like Self, but he does have 2 NCAAT's. So to go for conference titles first is the main goal? No thanks. Even Roy doesn't place that kind of thinking at UNC. It's not that important. Cal has only 1 title at UK, but how many FF banners in 5 years less time than self at KU? If conference titles are what's important then mediocrity is our goal.

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Marius Rowlanski

All he asked for was a little common sense and once again, you came up short.

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Shannon Gustafson

Perhaps you should comprehend what I'M saying before claiming I didn't comprehend your statement.

The original comment you replied to said they were concerned about vacating our 14th conference title. You said you'd take a FF banner over a conference title any day (which is fine, it's your opinion and I didn't agree or disagree with it in my statement). What I said was if they start vacating titles, the FF banner will go away before the conference title does so your entire argument doesn't matter. If you prefer FF banners and we have to vacate wins SDS played in, it's going away, period, regardless of the conference title situation, regardless of how many we've been to compared to your beloved Wildcats, etc.

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Marius Rowlanski

Calipari has already had two Final Four Banners removed and far out of sight of any boosters at UMass or Memphis.

The vast majority of Kentucky's "winning" dominance has been accomplished under 4 cheaters. Adolph Rupp, Joe B Hall, Eddie Sutton, Rick Pitino, and finally, Calipari.

Every title won by Kentucky was under these 5 known cheaters with the exception of Billy Tubbs (even though most Kentucky fans give credit to Rick Pitino).

These coaches would all look very natural posing for a mug shot.

You like the Kentucky way of doing things? Tells me a lot about you Jason.

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Tony Bandle

Jason, normally I would say that you have a point but this particular conference title is HISTORIC in nature and will probably stand the test of time. In this year's particular situation, given the choice of one over the other I would land on the side of keeping the conference title and forfeit the FF title in which we were destroyed in the semi final game.

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Jonathan Allison

troll

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Jason Venable

Again, get a life. Because I'm not a homer doesn't mean I'm a troll. You are a HOMER. Go home to your hand puppet. You're every bit the type of A-hole Jay Scott was.Good job.

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Marius Rowlanski

LMAO! Now I know why you registered April 3 of this year.

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Marius Rowlanski

How about that NIT banner from 2013? Oh wait, you went in the first round. How many times has Cal made it to the Final Four at Kentucky? How many NCAA titles? How many conference titles? How many conference championships?

Shouldn't Kentucky fans expect to make it into the NCAA EVERY year?

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David Morrison

That's not gonna happen.

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Harlan Hobbs

If you are "Final Four or Bust", Jason, then you are in for a lot of disappointment. As for Coach Self's recruiting strategy, it has been pretty damn good with a good balance of skills and experience. It ain't broke!

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Jason Venable

If it a broke don't fix it mentality is old style of thinking. The only way to make something better is to break it and and move in a new direction.

I can't belie e in reading comments over the years on how us KU fans attempt to rationalize outcomes. Self is bankrolling 5M a year. Shouldn't the ceiling be a tad higher?

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Jesse Johnson

I'm with you Jason. With the 2018 season done, it has now been 30 seasons in the which KU has won only one championship. That's 15 years each from two HOF coaches and only 1 national title between them. In the last 30 seasons:

-Duke won 5 titles

-North Carolina and UCONN won 4 titles each

-Kentucky won 3 titles

-Villanova and Florida won 2 titles each

Frankly we deserve better as KU fans than 1 title in 30 years.

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Marius Rowlanski

Guessing that math wasn't your only hard subject in school:

"If it a broke don't fix it mentality is old style of thinking."

Can someone translate?

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Daniel Kennamore

So, he's already likely going to cost us a FF banner and now he's going to cost us a scholarship slot for next season because we won't know the outcome of the FBI's case until well into the season if not next summer.

And yet people still balk at me when I suggest we should be suing these families for the harm they are causing our program.

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Bob Thompson

What would you ask from the families in the suit? Do you think the universities could put a price on what was lost. Do you think the universities would want the public to be aware of the millions of dollars that the athletic department makes. I agree that something needs to be done, I would suggest that the FBI handle it as a criminal activity and the university stay away.

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Daniel Kennamore

"What would you ask from the families in the suit?"

Don't do things that screw over a program you agreed to join. I don't think that's too much to ask.

And if they do, any revenue we have to give up for the FF trip as well as the same amount as a FF trip if there is a post-season ban is the minimum we should sue them for.

The KUAD, as you point out, is a multi-million dollar organization...so punitive damages to the brand could also justifiably reach millions of dollars.

And that's what they should do. The price tag on the fines for doing this to a school should be enough to cause even multi-millionaires to feel the pain of it.

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Len Shaffer

Jason Todd should thank you for eclipsing his post as the stupidest of the day. Yeah, it would be a wonderful idea to sue families of recruits. That would certainly make other recruits eager to come to KU ...

Not to mention the fact that how much could you realistically get from these families, many of which are in the inner city? What are you going to sue them for, $200?

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Marius Rowlanski

I heard that we have top lawyers searching for Silvio's family somewhere in the Angola.

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Barry Weiss

If I were KU compliance, I would at this point have Silvio and the guardian, if he will comply, provide all banking records they have for every month since we started contact with recruiting Silvio. Granted if money was delivered in cash, it would be very difficult to trace that. If after a thorough review of all available financial records KU is not able to show any benefit went to Silvio, then I would play him. The other option would be to still sit him until this is cleared by the NCAA, which easily could be well into next season. That would be a self imposed penalty the university puts on itself in case money did go to the guardian as opposed to having this past season's wins forfeited.

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Jay Hawkinson

I actually think the very worst case scenario revolves around Preston. KU's official story is that they discovered a potential problem with his eligibility right before the first game in which he would have played. That is very fortunate timing. It is very possible that the official story is true, and it was just a case of lucky timing.

But it is also conceivable that the KU staff was aware of the payments to Preston. They were originally planning to play him because they thought they wouldn't be caught (perhaps because they've had similar situations in the past that weren't caught). When the initial FBI indictments came out just before the season, they got nervous and had to come up with a reason for the NCAA to come in and take a closer look. If this is the case, and the NCAA, FBI, or someone else is able to find evidence of it, KU could be in serious trouble. Sanctions would be likely, and it wouldn't be inconceivable that Self could be forced out or decide to bolt for the NBA.

I love Self and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but if I was investigating this stuff I would think the timing was a wee bit suspicious.

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Shannon Gustafson

You jumped to a lot of conclusions to come up with that off-the-wall story! Sounds like something a Mizzou, KSU, or UK fan would come up with to try to "prove" KU's guilt lol

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Jay Hawkinson

I'm not saying I believe this story. I'm saying this is the worst case scenario.

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Shannon Gustafson

Worst case scenarios are typically based on reality.

If we're just speaking in hypotheticals I'd say worst case scenario is KU gets the death sentence and Bill Self moves on to coach KSU or Mizzou or OSU and wins multiple titles in his first 5 years there.

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Jay Hawkinson

The reality is 1) there is no indication that the FBI investigation is close to wrapping up, 2) Gatto and his attorneys have every incentive to dig up evidence that KU was aware of the payments, 3) KU found a reason to hold Preston out in the 5 weeks between the initial FBI press conference and the Kentucky game, and 4) that reason was a single-car accident that never showed up in police reports. I still give KU the benefit of the doubt, but it really isn't that far-fetched to think the car accident was some sort of coverup.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Craig Carson

i dont think the car incident was a cover up i just think Self and KU didnt wanna come out and say "Billy may have received a benefit"..imagine the distraction and chit storm that creates....they handled it the only way they could

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Sean Swindler

The best case is probably for him to red shirt next year -

If Dok is back we don't really need him.

He is young, so he redshirts, gets better, still gets Hudy and player development. If he can't be cleared in a year, then he's had that year to get better/build muscle for the NBA.

If he can get cleared, we maybe even activate him in January or February.

We are without his scholarship but that is OK.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Tony Bandle

Sean, please tell me that isn't you real last name and, if it is, please tell me you're not an accountant.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Suzi Marshall

.... or a politician and/or lawyer...

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Pius Waldman

We all have opinions and ideas as to what happened and what should be done. I'm of the opinion that the recommendations the committee will make will be a big factor. So on April 25 we will hear about those recommendations. The NCAA will try hard to accept those and then we can say we should do this or not do it.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Ben Kane

I don't think this will or should have any affect on how Self recruits. I don't understand how there are so many people that question coach. look at the scoreboard and shut up people, 14 straight conference titles, 1 NC, 3 final fours...

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Brian Conrad

Several points
1.. Silvio went through NCAA LONG PROCESS TO BE CLEARED.
2. Adidas reps have been shown to tell company they paid money and put it in their pocket , so I still believe Silvio guardian when he stresses these kids go through waaaay to much for 20k kick. He stated would reflect bad on all kids coming from Africa and I believe him 30 grand not enough
3. The big culprit is THE NBA Get rid one and fines . Stop being D league for NBA
4. Very few actually only Loyola and that happens once lifetime .. make the FINAL FOUR with 3 and 4 star players . Go with best or never make Final Four .
5. Winning 14 conference Championships is Huge. We alone sit at top of record books so yes that is bigger than Final Four ... but mixed in those 14 is NCAA Champs And Final Fours
Path gets much easier to Final Four with one seed and assured 1 seed pretty much with big 12 conference champ
6. Only 4 teams out of 350 make Final Four heck Duke , Michigan State , UNC & Kentucky day Home and Uk had nothing but shoe paid players. Remember FBI has not gotten to Nike YET.
7. Fans better think lucky stars we are not like UK or Duke who have played in the NIT in past decade .. look we are in great shape here not like KSU OR MU who have not been in Final Four in how long ? Yup MU never KSU what 40+ years ?

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Kent Richardson

Obviously we are in disagreement about what will happen and what to do about it in the near term or long term.

We can't do anything about the past and we can't predict the future. I think the uncertainty of the outcome and how long it will take to see one makes us sick to our stomachs. Also it hurts that Silvio was regarded as a savior for our team so we take the potential loss of his services more personally.

None of this will likely address the root issue of corruption. A few of the shoe companies, who by the way are using slave labor to make their obscene profits, will have some "salesmen" fired or maybe worse. Unless the FBI has incriminating evidence regarding company owners directing reps to engage in criminal acts the beat will go on. Even dumping Adidias as an accounts receivable partner will not help us now. NCAA will smack us hard if they can. I say who needs the NCAA anyway. Just can't trust them to do anything but cover their ass and worry about public relations. Who believes they will wait because the FBI asks them to? You won't see them have an impact on these companies because they have no authority to do so. Only the DOJ and whatever laws have been broken will decide if there is anything to be done about that. Maybe we can go to Big Baller Brand in the future.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Marius Rowlanski

I don't know. The decisions we make now will go a long way in both public perception and how we interact with the investigation.

We can LEARN from the past and make better decisions that will reshape the future.

We can do a lot of things if we can minimize corruption by either making the penalties extremely severe or by using the justice system to prosecute offenders. I'm not talking about players, family members or even guardians. All of this came from a greedy executive working for Adidas. They put the ball in motion, no one else.

In some of these cases, do they even know where the transactions took place? A German shoe company making payments, possibly in Africa/overseas, probably isn't breaking too many US laws.

But I'm not a lawyer which is probably pretty evident.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Brian Conrad

Last thing. Did not NCAA PROVE CAM Newton father took money and allowed him to play ? Could never prove Cam knew .. IF AND IT IS HUGE IF. Silvio’s guardian took cash ( I doubt it ) and Silvio and Self did not know. ( I strongly believe ) Be Great to see him play. Over all I would bet fans are the executioner here and way to much pressure. So he will head to NBA or follow Preston overseas . We fans and the NBA have large part in this crap. And The NCAA !!

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Jason Venable

If a parent/guardian is paid direct cash with no banking deposits made then there will be no trace on monies. No checks, no direct deposits, no wiring of funds, no problem. It's how Cam's father most likely got away with it. Unless those dollars serial numbers were recorded. Seems like it's not the case.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Mike Barnhart

Kids from families with very limited incomes move in with guardians, attend private athletic based prep schools and play on ultra sophisticated AAU club teams that barnstorm across the country year round!!! WHAT DOES THAT COST?

I checked the internet for annual cost:

Non-religious prep school $50,000

Avg cost Airbnb for 150 nights (boarding) $24,000

Elite club sports $15,000

That's well over a quarter million dollars for three years... totally funded by the shoe companies.

Now look up the high schools of the top recruits: Montverde Academy, Orlando Christian Prep, Findlay Prep, Spartanburg Day School, Vermont Academy, IMG Academy, Prolific Prep, Oak Hill Academy, Brentwood Academy...

Don't be afraid of the truth KU fans. This is how the world works. This amateurism fraud is being perpetrated on all of college basketball. They're all "victims."

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Brian Skelly

What federal laws are being broken here? I get that there are certainly NCAA rules likely being broken. Is really all this is the FBI attempting to help enforce the NCAA's rules?


If there's a direct link with any KU employees engaging in this, sure there will be problems. Even KU boosters for that matter. That was my concern all along with Preston. The way KU handled it seemed to me of being so overtly cautious about it that they knew something was going on behind the scenes. DeSousa was cleared by the NCAA before playing presumably. Could finding stuff after the affect KU? Probably, but I just don't see that happening.

And for all the huffing and puffing about all this, doesn't this smack of more change needed by the NCAA, and not everyone else? Going to the Olympic model seems to make the most sense for all parties involved, but of course that would be far to easy. Giving the NCAA more control over these kids lives seems like folly. It's why were at where we are at.

I'll also point out one HUGE thing that people overlook. No country in the world -- except us -- ties any kind of athletics to higher education the way we do. Somehow, and at this point it's nothing more than tradition, we've done so. Would going away from that erode what's been built? Yeah. But kicking a kid out of a sport for getting 40 dollar tattoo for 20 dollars -- which is what got Ohio State in trouble -- wouldn't be happening either.

It just seems our priorities could be better in order, and a lot of these issues would go away or be greatly diminished. That's all.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Mike Barnhart

Fraud. They are not amateurs but still get scholarships. (see my comments above)

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Shannon Gustafson

Wire fraud, tax evasion, etc.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Mike Riches

I frankly think the NCAA has a lot to lose here. What the FBI is uncovering here looks bad for us, Arizona, NC State, MSU, and many others schools yet to be named. But it looks REALLY bad for the NCAA! Think about what the FBI is showing here. Mass corruption, a completely broken system, and oh yeah, fraud. And what is the organization that is responsible for overseeing these programs, which is supposed to be an independent third party, unbiased governing body? This investigation is showing that the NCAA has done a horrible job, and that the current system is completely ineffective. This gives me hope...

This is the big difference between the current situation and prior cases where titles, etc. have been vacated. The NCAA will be under massive pressure to reform the system, not have out retroactive punishments (i.e. more of the same). I would not be surprised at all if punishments are extremely curtailed, or non-existent in most of the cases we're seeing. I wonder if that's why they were so quick to clear players like Bridges. Of course, admittedly, I'm an eternal optimist, but, seriously, if the NCAA does start handing out retroactive punishments, I think universities should file lawsuits against the NCAA for perpetuating a system that has fostered fraud for so long.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Mike Riches

One more thought, this whole situation may have very little to do with OADs. I've asked myself, what's in it for the shoe companies? Why would Adidas want to pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to second tier players like DeSousa (no offense Silvio...)? Is it in hopes that one day those players might sign with them? (That seems like such a stretch to me, since the chances of DeSousa ever being good enough to warrant a shoe deal are so slim...) Is it a way to scratch the backs of the programs who are some of their largest clients? Maybe... Or is it just as simple as Adidas wants Kansas to be good? And Nike wants Kentucky to be good...It would be interesting, for example, to see the revenue from Nike-branded Kentucky gear in 2012 (their NC year) vs. 2013 (NIT) but I would imagine it's a considerable difference. Like 7, maybe even 8 figures...just think about how many "14 Straight" and "Final Four" shirts Adidas sold this year. It's certainly enough to warrant funneling a couple hundred grand to certain players to steer them toward certain programs (if you're willing to throw ethics out the window that is...)

Of course I may be way off, but if this is the case, or even part of the whole story, changing the OAD rule wouldn't change this at all, because shoe companies would still target the best available talent in hopes that their top-tier clients remain top-tier programs.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Craig Carson

thats actually a pretty good point..Nike and Adidas WANTS their biggest clients ot be good because obviously that means more $$...but they must understand that breaking NCAA rules only hurts the programs they claim to be trying to help

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Kit Duncan

I may be wrong, but I believe I read that de Sousa's guardian was steering him toward Maryland (an Under Armour school). When Silvio, out of the blue, decided he was going to choose KU, the Adidas rep paid de Sousa's guardian the money to pay back Under Armour the the amount he had received to get Silvio to go to Maryland.

If that's the case, Silvio and KU are able to make the case that neither was involved, nor was Silvio induced to come to KU. On the contrary, he ran "away" from the money!

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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