Realignment Today: 1:37 p.m. - Big 12 announces West Virginia as newest member; Self, Zenger and Gray-Little welcome Mountaineers

1:37 p.m. Update

Kansas head men's basketball coach Bill Self is on board with the addition of the Mountaineers as well.

“I think West Virginia is a great addition (to the Big 12 Conference)," Self said. "Obviously, they bring a national name in multiple sports. And for me selfishly, I like the fact that Coach (Bob) Huggins is back in the league. I think he’ll definitely add some interest to our conference, which will be nothing but good for us.”

12:55 p.m. Update

Kansas University chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little and athletic director Sheahon Zenger released statements just over an hour ago welcoming West Virginia to the Big 12.

“KU supports the addition of West Virginia University to join the Big 12 Conference,” KU Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little said. “With their highly competitive teams and loyal fan base, the Mountaineers make an outstanding addition to the Big 12 and Jayhawks look forward to competing against them.”

“We’re excited to welcome West Virginia University,” KU Athletics Director Sheahon Zenger said. “West Virginia is a proud, flagship University with a successful athletics program led by an outstanding individual, Oliver Luck. We look forward to competing against the Mountaineers.”

Kansas governor Sam Brownback is also pleased with the addition of WVU.

11:09 a.m. Update

The Big 12 has announced on its website that West Virginia is the newest member of the conference.

"The Big 12 Conference Board of Directors have voted unanimously to accept West Virginia University as a full conference member effective July 1, 2012. The Mountaineers will begin competing in the Big 12 beginning with the 2012-13 athletic season. ...

'The Big 12 Presidents and Chancellors are excited to welcome another outstanding institution to the Conference,' said Burns Hargis, Chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors and President of Oklahoma State University. 'The addition of West Virginia, while expanding the reach of the Big 12, brings an impressive institution with esteemed academics and a proud athletic tradition into the Conference. This is another step in building a strong foundation for the future of the Big 12.'

'The Big 12 is a perfect fit for West Virginia University,' said WVU President Dr. James P. Clements. 'It is a strong conference that, like WVU, values quality academic and athletic programs, and has a great tradition of success. This is a very exciting time for WVU and Mountaineer nation. I am confident that the future of WVU athletics has never been more promising.'"

Certain language from the Big 12 in this announcement also serves as the first official comment from the league that Missouri is not expected to remain in the conference.

Beginning with the 2012-13 season it is expected that the Big 12 Conference will be comprised of 10 Universities – Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and West Virginia. The Big 12’s footprint will encompass five states with over 36 million people. More than 4,100 student-athletes from across the United States and around the World compete annually in the 23 sports sponsored by the Conference.

Now we're getting somewhere. Hoping to get reaction soon.

Stay tuned...

9:19 a.m. Update:

Stop me if you've heard this one. Reports indicate that West Virginia has been identified as the next team to join the Big 12. An announcement could come as soon as today.

OK, OK, OK... I know we've been down this road before, but, this time, it seems like things are in order and the WVU to the Big 12 talk is 100 percent legit.

Brett McMurphy, of CBSsports.com, filed this report this morning.

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/29532522

In addition, sources close to Kansas University told me late Thursday that Friday could be a big day for the league. Add the two together and it seems evident that the Mountaineers could be in the fold by the end of the day.

We've already been over all the reasons why WVU makes sense for the Big 12. But it seems like money is what made the most sense for West Virginia. By leaving the Big East now, WVU will have to pay an exit fee reported to be around $5 million. If it waits much longer, that number could double.

So what happens to Louisville now? It seems as if the Cardinals will stay in the Big East — at least for now. This, certainly, is good news for the Big East. The loss of WVU and Louisville, along with Syracuse and Pitt, who are headed to the ACC, could have been devastating for the league.

Sources continue to indicate that the Big 12 wants to stay at 10 teams and that is the reason that both West Virginia and Louisville will not be invited to join the league at this time.

We'll be traveling to Austin, Texas, later today so bear with me if I don't get to update this as regularly as I have been. I'll check in before our plane takes off and again when we land.

For now, here's one last piece of news that popped up late Thursday that's pretty darn interesting. It seems that someone at the SEC jumped the gun on announcing Missouri as that league's 14th member. So eager was this person to add the Tigers that the announcement actually made its way onto the SEC web site.

Here's what it said before being taken down.


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Given the ever-changing conference paradigm over the past year, the Southeastern Conference has continued to demonstrate its commitment to maintaining its stature as one of the nation’s premier conferences by welcoming the University of Missouri as the league’s 14th member, Commissioner Mike Slive announced Monday.

Missouri joins Texas A&M University as the league’s two new institutions who will begin full membership on July 1, 2012. It is the first expansion of the SEC membership since Arkansas and South Carolina joined the conference in 1992.

Missouri was a charter member of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907, which became the Big Six Conference in 1964, the Big Eight Conference in 1964 and the Big 12 Conference in 1996.

Geographically, it is a natural fit as the state of Missouri touches more states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee) that currently are home to an SEC institution than any other state that is not in the league’s previous 13-member footprint. Like the majority of the cities in the SEC, Columbia, Mo., is a college-centered town with a metropolitan population of 164,283, making it the fifth-largest city in the state of Missouri.

With an enrollment of 32,415, the University of Missouri boasts a strong academic resume, as it is one of only five universities nationwide with law, medicine, veterinary medicine and a research reactor on one campus. Six of Missouri’s sports teams last season led the Big 12 in graduation rate for their respective sports.

Culturally, Missouri is as well known for its barbecue, country music, history and rich tradition as the majority of the current states of the SEC.

Missouri is one of only 35 public U.S. universities invited to membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). It will become the fourth SEC school that is part of the AAU, joining Florida, Texas A&M and Vanderbilt.


Earlier today, SEC spokesman Charles Bloom posted on his Twitter account that the web vendor made a mistake and added that no agreement had yet been reached.

Here's more on the mishap from Dave Matter of the Columbia Tribune.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/behind-the-stripes/2011/oct/27/oops-sec-site-briefly-announces-missouri-as-new-me/

Finally, for those interested in reading more about the political involvement in conference realignment, here's a great story from Manu Raju, of politico.com, who dives deeper into the role played by West Virginia senators Jay Rockefeller and Joe Manchin and Kentucky senator Mitch McConnell.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67040.html

More to come. Stay tuned...

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Fire sheahoRn

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Phoghorn

Fire the guy who designed your tub. It is tilting, so one of the legs must be broken.

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middleoftheroader

He got that pic from a simple google search. Go ahead look, you'll find it.

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ahpersecoachingexperience

I've heard of grammar, but avatar police!?!?!?

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Phoghorn

See, now you are funny again. I am impressed that you can flip that soap bar so high - must be some strong fins.

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Ben Kliewer

Wait...why are we firing Zenger now?

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RockCaCO3

Matt, I think your heading should say "a.m." not p.m.

Bummer about WVU. I would have rather seen Louisville. If we were slumming with Misery, we've hit rock bottom with WVU.

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Matt Tait

Thanks!!!

Man, I do that a lot. Rest assured though it's because I use a template to start this blog each day not because I haven't slept and don't know the difference between night and day. We're close. But not there yet...

Thanks again!

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Ben Kane

hopefully you'll get a lot of sleep now. :P

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actorman

I don't know how the hell you ever DO sleep, with all the updating you do. Thanks as always for keeping us up to date.

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jhwkswn

man, hope it still happens for Louisville, really want both. Damnit Texas, we don't want to stay at 10!

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DocBean

We can only hope that KU will be able to get a good head football coach, or if Gill sticks around that somehow he'll make us competitive in 5 years.

Because with 10 teams we'll be going through all of this again in 5 years when the current contract runs out.

If we're still at the bottom of the Big XII we won't have any options.

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Vernon Riggs

Don't stay at 10! EXPAND!

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whitechocolate

Matt,

Does this info smash the rumors that Big 12 presidents will meet on Monday to discuss bringing both Louisville & WVU?

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Phoghorn

Fire everybody associated with KU! Seems to be the theme today...

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Phoghorn

But the scary thing is some folks wanted that circa 2007...

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ltownatrain

Yep and then 2008 happened and he did something Roy couldn't do at KU...Won a Championship..Funny how people change their tune so quickly.

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Jo Ann Ortgies Stork

Take both of them and we have the best of both---good fb and good BB---should increase our revenue. Need to get to 12 good teams. The only way we become rock solid is to have @ least 12 teams in the conference. Why not be the first to do the 16 team conference? That should be good for stability. With everything that is happening in the conference realignment arena, there should be some additional "good" teams that will need a conference home. Let's make sure it's the Big XII.

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jgkojak

The take-away from the Politico article:
WV Senator Rockefeller is chairman of the committee that would be charged with investigating this - given the Dem majority and his chairmanship, McConnell knows he would not come out on top.

I can live with West Virginia in the B12. Let's hope we get them in, get MU out, and be done with it.

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actorman

The fact that Mitch McConnell got his comeuppance is one good thing about WVU joining the conference instead of Louisville. Louisville would be a much better fit.

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Carter Patterson

Matt, the big problem though is that the Big12 needs to play a 10 team schedule next year at a minimum for the TV deal. With MO gone and WVU not able to contractually leave until the season after next, that leaves us with 9 unless the Big East falls apart. Am I missing something?

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jgkojak

MU would be liable and will pay out the ass for causing that to happen.

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LSHawk

I'm betting that the Big 12 made a deal with the Big Least to not invite Louisville if they will let WVU out early.

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justinryman

West Virginia....Sounds like a road trip next fall to Morgantown.

Who's in?? It's only 900 miles. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

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RockCaCO3

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Thomas Michaud

Just posted over at ESPN that WVU has been invited (officially)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...

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Ashwin Rao

Oops, it was retracted (just kidding, but I will not be surprised if it happened on the ESPN site too!)

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ohjayhawk

justinryman - It's only 114 miles for me... I'll meet you there! I'm actually pretty excited. I work with all kinds of WVU fans. It will make things more interesting.

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Ashwin Rao

I would love it too! I don't work with any WV folks here in Cincinnati/Dayton area, but can plan some KU games when it does happen!

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justinryman

ashwingrao, we can swing thru Cinci and pick you up!!!

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middleoftheroader

And the Big9+TX will remain at 10 members. uh oh.

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LogicMan

WVU: Good news, and welcome to the Big 12!

Louisville hopefully soon. UT and OU: Get 'em while the getting is good!

Sounds as if the Big 12 will be meeting to discuss further expansion:

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/no...

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tobyfoo

Cheer up manginorh00lz, there is more to life than AAU.

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middleoftheroader

+1 to Manginorh00lz

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tobyfoo

How are they gonna be worse than Missouri fans which are AAU?

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Ben Kane

no doubt wvu fans are awful, but their football and basketball programs are solid. Mizery sux at everything, including life.

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Ashwin Rao

PAC or bust! :)

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Robert Brown

I hope there is more to staying at 10 teams than "OU and UT want to avoid a conference championship game". All other major BCS conferences will have a championship game and I would imagine the Big 12 will get penalized for not having one. I envision a scenario where a one loss Wisconsin after winning the Big 10 championship game plays one loss Alabama while undefeated Texas goes to the Fiesta Bowl. The entitled attitude of Texas and OU make me sick.

A 10 team conference hurts a team like KU, because it has a tougher schedule and one less out of conference game, making it difficult to become bowl eligible. Look at it another way, if Mangino coached in a ten team conference, he probably would have gone to two bowl games instead of four and most likely would have finished the 2007 season with 2 more losses perhaps getting an Alamo Bowl invitation instead of going to the Orange Bowl

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Andy Tweedy

I totally get your point, so don't take this the wrong way. Our 2007 edition would have beaten Texas like a drum. Sure, we would have most likely lost to OU, but that Texas team wasn't great, and I wish we had gotten the opportunity to play them!

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Phoghorn

Depends on who we bring in to add more revenue. We can try making the pie bigger before slicing it.

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Steve Brown

San Juan and Edmonton

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middleoftheroader

Is it too early in the morning to strike up the banjos? Not in WorstVirginny it Ain't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyw452...

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Brad Boline

Matt

Are they even considering Louisville, it would only make 11 teams. Big 10 did it for years. Why would Texas and OU not be ok with it?

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Jayhawks64

Matt,

Do you think the SEC was trying to avoid litigation for "poaching" by quickly blaming this on the website vendor?

Jayhawks64

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lama

Get BYU...make it work, Big 12 schedulers. Best option left when evaluating academics, athletic tradition, television sets, new market.

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Ted Adams

Just because you go to 12 doesn't mean you HAVE to have a championship game. It's the norm, because that's the number the NCAA requires in order to have a championship game.

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blackhawkjayhawk

One plus of inviting both WVU and Louisville is that it might help both in exiting the Big East. If the Big East loses two schools, they might collapse or they might make a deal - pay the $10 million per school that the exit fee is increasing to (not the current $5 million) and we'll let you go now. Take the $20 million from UL and WVU, add $20million from Pitt and Cuse, and you have a nice little payout to the remaining members. The money might be more valuable to them than keeping the teams in the "league" since the league might be folding anyway.

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Vernon Riggs

I not 100% sure but Pitt and Syracuse should be only $5 million each. And, I think the increase to $10 million was based on some type of performance clause of adding additional Football teams, which the BigEast hasn't done. WVU should only pay out $5 million too.

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Ben Kane

i think what he was saying is make a trade, double the money and get rid of the wait.

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MorganR

IF a commitment was made to West Virginia, it is appropriate for the Big 12 to honor its commitment. I am agnostic regarding extending invitations to other schools but I do hope they will consider academics as well as the implications for other sports such as swimming and gymnastics that will have to travel over much greater distances (I realize most that post on this topic are primarily concerned with football).

I also hope that KU will not reschedule Missouri for athletic contests for several years. Perhaps, eventually, some of the ill feelings will dissipate. It is always a small minority of fans that cause problems but, in my opinion, the animus has increased in the last several years.

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MorganR

Are you saying that oral agreements. / Commitments aren't worth the paper they're written on? Seriously and sadly, this movement of schools from one conference to is merely additional evidence that short-term pursuit of money trumps academics, the interests of students, and long-standing relationships.

With Missouri, because of my own experience, this may be a time when long-standing relationships should end or, at least, be held in abeyance.

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Toto_the_great

Is that correct... "Missouri was a charter member of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907, which became the Big Six Conference in 1964, the Big Eight Conference in 1964..." Surely they didn't have conference FUBAR's back then too, did they? Typo on SEC's part?

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The_Real_Hawkman

No as schools got bigger they jumped up like UCONN did a few years back in football, see Oklahoma St they use to be Oklahoma A&M

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Laura Wilson

One of my big concerns is that they're intimating that WV will have to wait 27 months to join, so we're looking at early 2014. If MU leaves in the Fall of 2012 that means almost a year and a half with only nine schools. We might as well be the Big 8 again if that happens.

I happily blame all of this on Misery. I will cheer so loudly if the SEC turns them down.

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middleoftheroader

Louisville just went from hoping to hear an MU exit from the big12 to hoping to hear MU recommiting itself to the big12 so that louisville might be invited as a 12th member instead of as a 10th member replacing MU

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Eric Dawson

I like it!
Come on, mOO and Big 12(?), make it so!

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Maracas

So . . . does the Big 12 have a tampering claim against the SEC?

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recentgrad

Straight from the horses mouth

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticl...

Later Mizzou

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JayHawk_from_SWKS

"The Mountaineers will begin competing in the Big 12 beginning with the 2012-13 athletic season."

That quote is interesting...I wonder what the Big East thinks about that.

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Vernon Riggs

It may have been part of a trade to keep Louisville off the table for Big12 expansion.

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Allin Herring

Lets say good bye to MU!! (jerks) and Lets bring in Louisville and BYU (or Houston) along with WVU and make it the BIG 12 again. Let's get this done NOW and quit pussy footing around and get the conference solid again!

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brooksmd

How about Houston and Tulane? Tulane is an excellent academic school and coming to the Big 12 should help its athletics. Not to mention recruiting possibilities. And it wouldn't hurt their rivalry with LSU.

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buckleyhawk

Why is Pitino suddenly the spokesperson for the Big East? What they think they're going to do is pretty much pure madness...I can only imagine recruiting going downhill for all of those teams mentioned. "Do you want your parents and friends to see your road games? That will be just fine...are they all rich and retired?"

The other part to this that doesn't get a whole lot of pub is that non-revenue sports as a whole, at the D1 level are going to disappear by the lot. Not that relevant to most of us, but for some of us hard-core fans/family members/alumni/whatever, it's pretty sad. I know it's the way it is, but still sad...

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FLJHK

Completely disappointing. As a stand-alone addition, this makes zero sense. Nothing against WVU itself, but there is zero fit between that university and the rest of the Big 12 culturally or geographically, and it further erodes the conference's rapidly deteriorating academic profile. Whatever soul remained from the Big 8 to the Big 12 is now gone forever. I guess we can say we've shored up our football pedigree. Whoopee.

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Ethan Berger

And you get an Upgrade in basketball.

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RockCaCO3

Yeah, this is dissapointing. I dont get it.

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LSHawk

I'll bet I was right, Big 12 made a deal with Big East, we dont invite Louisville and they let WVU walk next year.

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Ashwin Rao

I bet they heard Pitino talking and didn't want anything to do with it! :)

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The_Real_Hawkman

Why doesn't the Big 12 take a vote if more schools ad/presidents want 12 then go to 12 and tell texas to deal with it

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GoodbyeMU

Kick MU to the curb... we have WV now... grab Lou and Cinn.

Cinn has 40,000 in Ohio, will help contract. Puts us at 12 and kills the big east.

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LSHawk

Maybe now we can rid this website of the MU trolls. Muck Fizzou!

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brooksmd

Noticed in the SEC supposed press release they say "Six of Missouri’s sports teams last season led the Big 12 in graduation rate for their respective sports." So since they didn't identify which six, would it be safe to assume football and basketball were not in that group?

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middleoftheroader

Saturday November 17 2012 UWV@KU 11:30am kickoff tv:FCS .... not official, just my prediction. At least we dont have to go to Morgantown next season.

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brooksmd

If West Virginia takes Missouri's football schedule for next year, the Mountaineers will entertain Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU and Baylor. West Virginia would go to Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas and Texas Tech.

Read more: http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/no...

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142466

Adding WVU only would be completely nuts
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Adding only WVU and Loui would be foolish. 11 team league won't have a FB championship game like all the other conferences.

Adding only WVU, Loui, and Cinci gets us to 12 and mitigates the geographical gap. Might work.

Adding all three and then adding 2 from the Rockies, given where all the other surviving Conferences are going, would be good.

Adding all three and then adding 4 (1 from Tex and 3 from the Rockies) would be as good as the league could do.

Maybe Loui and #12 have already been invited and accepted, conditional on MU's departure and WVU's entry. Can the league finally do something right?

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LSHawk

Was reading story on ESPN and it says the Big East expects WVU to stay the required 27 months.....so wth???

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Laura Wilson

Yeah, I commented about that above. I'm guessing the poster who suggested it was a deal to take Louisville off the table is probably correct on that. I'd rather have had Louisville because at least they're closer to the midwest. At least we'll remain at 10 once Misery finally decides to get off its butt and do something.

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Bobo Fleming

Good by MU dont let the door hit you on the way out. Never liked them since they tried to kill my great grand father.

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Daniel Kennamore

Let not kid anybody here...'the league' wants to stay at 10 because that's what Oklahoma and Texas want, not because that's what a majority of the schools want.

The more things change...

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK

Adding Cincy and Louisville would not only get us back to twelve, but would help bridge the geographic gulf between the rest of the Conference and WVU.

If we stay at 10, that's a big sign that Neinas is as deferential to OU & UT as Beebe was.

C'mon, someone in power listen to the fans....we want 12!

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JayhawkGrad05

Everyone knows the fans don't matter in this...at least not until the seats stop filling up in the stadiums...

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texashawk10

Unless you're a Misery fan who has a president and AD dumb enough to listen to what the fans want instead of what's best for the school.

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LogicMan

For 2012-13, if MU is let go hopefully WVU will be able to step in. But if not for a year or two, we're all left with slots in our schedules. If so, Big 12 teams, in all sports, would be wise to fill those holes with games against potential members, e.g., Louisville, BYU, Cincinnati, ND, AFA, New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming, etc.

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brooksmd

Scratch AFA as they have already stated they could not compete on the field in the Big 12.

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142466

Good idea. KU A.D, on behalf of KU FB fans everywhere, please call the last 4 on LogicMan's list . We owe it to Conference to get back to 5 wins and 6 losses.

It really is a good idea.

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texashawk10

Football schedules are made years in advance. If WVU is held to the 27 month waiting period, KU only has 2 total slots open in their schedule with one game in 2012 and one in 2013 to fill.

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MorganR

Welcome West Virginia!

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142466

Is it Ms. Morgan or Mr. Morgan? If it's Ms., let's talk; even if you're from Morgantown. Don't be alarmed. I'm well past my prime.

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MorganR

It's Ms. No, I am not from "Morgan" town. Sorry.

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Steve Brown

Please send picture of your boat.
(old joke for those that don't know it)

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brooksmd

After reading WVU's resume I can understand why the SEC would rather MU over WVU. WVU would give the SEC top dogs too much competition. They needed another cupcake.

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blackhawkjayhawk

I'll miss the Muck Fizzou shirts. KU vs. KSU is now KU's number one rivalry. We need to dominate Kansas City recruiting and get focused on beating back the purple plague.

(June Jones for KU coach)

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Josh Galler

I will still wear mine with pride

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JayhawkGrad05

SZ and BGL had better keep working on their relationships with other conference leaders because if we stay at 10, this is all going to happen again in a few years....can't wait.

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Travis Shinkle

...so am I still the only one who is holding out hope that when (not if) the Big 10 realizes it needs to expand that KU is #1 or #2 on their list?

Also, as for playing Missouri in ANY sport, KU should never answer any phone call from the 573 area code...

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middleoftheroader

probably still

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Robert Brown

Of all conferences, the Big 10 is one conference that doesn't need to expand. Expansion only makes sense if the numbers work financially. KU does not bring alot of value and is arguably LESS valuable today than they were two years ago. The Big 10 is a pipedream.

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Ervin O'Neal

Agree. We were more attractive to the B1G as a package deal with our ex-rival MU.

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Travis Shinkle

...so am I still the only one who is holding out hope that when (not if) the Big 10 realizes it needs to expand that KU is #1 or #2 on their list?

Also, as for playing Missouri in ANY sport, KU should never answer any phone call from the 573 area code...

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middleoftheroader

probably

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d_park

pants fart.

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Phoghorn

Huh?

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TKHAWK

Welcom to our new backwoods brethren! Please feel free to partake of out fluorinated water and dental care. But seriously, AWESOME!!! Glad to have you! Lets take a group photo, Missouri u r blocking the shot, can you step to the side please?

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pepper_bar

Reminder: Keegan thinks Kansas should join the Big East.

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Ben Kane

that he does.

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KUMED71

A football champinship is played if we expand to 12 teams but not at 11...correct?? So why not add Louisville which would be a great add on for BB. The B1G was at 11 for FB prior to Nebraska joining and their FB programs and the league have done just fine. Texas and OU shouldn'y object to 11.

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justinryman

Let me see, somebody wants the Big12 to go after BYU as either the 12th or 11th member. Uh travel nightmare at this point as West Virginia in Morgantown WV. to Provo UT is 1,930 miles. Sure one could argue that Texas is 1,400 miles and Tech is 1,475 miles, from Morgantown, but 1,930???

I think the Big12 needs to think East, for if nothing else to get some East coast bias from the newsies.

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blackhawkjayhawk

Agreed. Louisville and another would be good adds. I prefer a 10-team league because it builds more hatred but if we have to go to 12, stay east. More recruits, more press, better start times.

(June Jones for KU Coach)

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tecuani

We have these cool things now. They are called airplanes. They go really fast!

ZOOOOOOOOM

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justinryman

Cause track and field, cross country, softball and baseball teams can afford to fly every where????

Yes airplanes are nice, but they get costly when buying tickets for a whole team, the staff and other athletic department heads going along for the ride.

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142466

Since WVU is now in, the league's next move should be to get us to 12 by adding 2 more members from the eastern fringes. Loui and Cinci .

#s 13 through 16 most likely will have to come from Texas and the Rockies. The distances between the eastern and western fringes will be acceptable because the sports schedules of a 14 or 16 member league will be heavily weighted towards intra-divisional play. Remember, FB games are played only once a week. And big time college BB teams are already used to traveling long distances to play some games. It's feasible.

The trick would be to build a strong enough bond between the 14 or 16 to make the league still survive UT's or OU's departure. I think, too, that UT & OU would be less likely to depart, in the first place, once they realize that the remaining schools could thrive without them. UT and OU would most likely still dominate a 14 or 16 member Big12 Conference. In what other BCS Conference could they do that?

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Steve Brown

Well said, making B12 strong enough to withstand Texas & Okl departure was my goal a few weeks ago, as sure as day, when the itch hits them they are gone, my view make the 6 year TV revenue concession be a rolling six years, so that you can depart anytime, yet whenever it is you convert 6 yrs. of $$ to the conference.

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LJD230

"esteemed. academics"! .

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Alohahawk

Wow! Can you envision this future BBall headline: "Cubby Bear vs Mad Martin of Manhattan". A strange twist of fate brings two former bedfellows together to compete in Big 12 loser's bracket. :-)

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Alohahawk

Wow! Can you envision this future BBall headline: "Cubby Bear vs Mad Martin of Manhattan". A strange twist of fate brings two former bedfellows together to compete in Big 12 loser's bracket. :-)

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Robert Brown

I have continued to hold out hope that MU will decide to stay, but it looks like that's not going to happen. It would be great if MU would stay and we add Louisville to get to 12.

I don't understand the purpose of these press releases. The Big 12 release goes out of its way to exclude MU- why? especially if they still hope to convince them to stay as was stated in a press release earlier this week.

The press release also indicated that WV would start play next year in the Big 12. That's not what the Big East is saying. Why even mention this in the press release.

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Vernon Riggs

I am hoping that the Big12 didn't invite Louisville because of these two reasons:

1. They have invited Notre Dame to be #11 team
2. They expect Mizzou to stay to be the #12 team

Call me an optimist but even with the odds against it I bought a lottery ticket for the $205 million PowerBall this week. Wish me and the Big12 'good luck'.

5 years, 5 months ago

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FLJHK

Sorry, can't wish you luck. I bought a Powerball ticket too. I'm rooting for me!

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Chris Shaw

Tait, Job well done throughout this entire process, however, I'm still disappointed with the leaders of this conference. IMO, 12 or 14 is the number that needs to be reached and it's essential that the Big 12 get there. It's a must IMO! Hell, I like (11) more than I do 10.

I am severely disappointed that the Big 12 is not going after a university like Louisville! Louisville is in the heart of the Midwest and it also crosses over in SEC territory which I also believe is important when it comes to the mind games of this alignment drama.

If the Big 12 is truly trying to take the initiative for the betterment of the conference going forward than they have to be proactive. I want Louisville Damn it!!!!!!!!!!

I know Big 12 officials and supposedly our political leaders in the Midwest are looking out for the conferences better half (Yeah Right)..........................why not get to 12? Majority wants 12 except a select few in the conference (Texas andd OU).

I know, I know, Big 12 is being cautious because there isn't a difinitive 12th school out there, but I say yes there is.....................In no particular order and I honestly don't care which one of the four! That's why going to 14 makese sense as well.

Notre Dame-We all know the reasons for ND

Tulane-I would love to see Tulane as the 12th member. Sometimes a risk is well rewarded and they have the market and academics.

BYU-Again, we all know the issues with the Mormons

Cincy-Not sexy, but it works and it works well!

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tobyfoo

agreed!

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RockCaCO3

"KFC Yum! Center". Seriously?

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Ben Kliewer

1. Distance is a factor, not all athletic teams get sweetass chartered flights. Mostly the big programs (FB, BB). So it does start getting costly for the Athletic department when the diving team has to travel Morgantown from, let's say, Provo...that does effect the Athletic department of every school.

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Ben Kliewer

2. Money rules. A 10 team conference gives everyone a bigger share of that conference revenue pie. That's why OU and Bevo are wanting to stay at 10, and that's how they are convincing everyone else to stay at 10. It really has little to do with a conference championship game being an "obstacle" to the NC. Let's say the Big 12 pulls in $120 Million of revenue with a 10 team conference. That's split evenly between the 10 schools meaning everybody gets a cool $12 Million to spend on things like getting the diving team to Morgantown and building a new baseball stadium and buying the athletic director fitness equipment.
Now, say we add Louisville (which I like) and BYU (which I don't really care about anymore), and the Big 12 pulls in $140 Million (I'm just throwing numbers out there) That means the amount of money each school receives drops to $11.6 Million. That means every school just lost $400,000 a year in revenue.
Again, just throwing numbers out there, but it's not really realistic to think that all the schools are going to bring the same amount of revenue into the B12 to then be split up and shared equally. It's no secret that OU and UT are going to bring in the highest amount of revenue to the conference, which is then split up equally between the schools and they receive a smaller portion than they actually "contributed." That's why they've ruled the conference for so long, because they bring in the largest amount of money, and like any good Republicans, they wanted to keep it all for themselves, because they earned it.
Let's say, spit balling here, that OU and UT bring in 25-40% of the Big 12's revenue (depending on the number of teams in the conference). Then, they're forced into agreeing to equal revenue sharing to keep the conference afloat. They'll get no better deal from anyone else (Plus they get their own networks which nobody else will let them do) so, they say "mercy" and go with the flow. Wouldn't you rather have a 10% share of the money you helped raise the majority of than an 8.33% share?
Realistically, adding more schools with less revenue power than OU and UT (which are the only options) actually degrades the net financial worth of the conference.
That's why they want to stay at 10 teams. It has nothing to do with a Conference Champ. game, or it being an obstacle.
In fact, it's so much about money, that they're not even thinking BCS, because not having a Conference Champ. game is actually an obstacle to reaching the BCS NC. Say you have three undefeated teams at the end of the season. Two of them won Conference Championship games and are 13-0 and one, maybe somebody like OU is crowned the Big 12 champion, but had no Conference Champ game and is 12-0...OU is not going to the NC game.

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Joseph Kuebel

Accordingly to your math above any school that brings in more than the average revenue of the current members would be an addition that increases revenues.

Regardless any potential additions would end up cutting the tv revenue from tier1 and 2 between an additional 2 schools... So each teams profit (not revenue as costs are higher for bigger ad depts at UT) would be: x(tv revenue)/10 > x/12, for tv revenue only (which is where the majority of income comes from, also why football is so crucial in this allignment bs)... Obviously u share the pie between 10 instead of 12 if the cheesecake is a set size to begin with ur getting less cheese, or cake. So if we add two teams every school gets 16% less cash from the tv deals of tier 1 and 2 at the end of the day for tv rev. Depending who is added if they are over the avg b12 school(plus the revenue of the 2 new teams revenue + all current members /12) it would be less than 16% but not by much...

To make it worth if for bevo and OU the schools added would need to have impossible profits to make up for the 20 mill lost per school of the tv deal, or would need to have 240 mil (for each new school) in profit split between the 12... This is not possible if they wanna add anything $ wise.

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Hank Cross

Kleave and CaliHawk - you've hit the nail on the head. They're aren't two teams that can bring in the revenue (an exception possibly being a ND/BYU combo) which would financially justify expansion. That's the price of sharing tier 1 and 2.

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FreddyinLA

UWV is a terrible fit for the b12.

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Chris Shaw

I'm not sure who UWV (University of Walters Vermont), but WVU is a nice fit IMO

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RockCaCO3

So is WVU.

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Sam Brockert

OU and Texas will NEVER want the league to go back to 12...They do not care about the long term success of the big 12 because if it folds, they have options....The only people who care about the long term success of the big 12 is everyone else because we may be left behind in a non-bcs conference. OU and Texas are only thinking about the here and now, milking a conference with no title game for all it is worth until they have to move on to one of the four 16 team conferences...AKA, Pac-16 SEC, B1G, and the ACC...

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kureader

I'm still lovin' it that the Big 12 replaced MU BEFORE they even left the conference. haha. In your face Missouri!!!

And, I"m still hopin' MU doesn't become bowl eligble.

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RockCaCO3

And better yet, wouldn't it be fun if the SEC rescinded their offer to Missery. That would be the best Christmas ever.

Seriously.

5 years, 5 months ago

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Eric Dawson

My head knows it would be better for the Big12, but my heart wants mOO to go. ;-)

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Chris Shaw

For those that live out of State.......stay away CBS, Stay Away!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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AndOne

Please no! I hate it when the game is on CBS. They won't show the whole game!

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Chris Shaw

You're kidding, right?

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Ervin O'Neal

Let me see if I follow your posts today.

1. Matt should not update us on the "rumors" that he is hearing from people in the know. We should all just wait until the conference makes an official announcement before we have any idea what is happening.

2. It is perfectly ok for people to go on here and fill the board with uninformed opinions based on no facts along with their own personal desires.

Damn it! I think I agree 100% with you (sarcasm font)

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Ervin O'Neal

Let me see if I follow your posts today.

1. Matt should not update us on the "rumors" that he is hearing from people in the know. We should all just wait until the conference makes an official announcement before we have any idea what is happening.

2. It is perfectly ok for people to go on here and fill the board with uninformed opinions based on no facts along with their own personal desires.

Damn it! I think I agree 100% with you (sarcasm font)

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NWKhawk

+100

....Think about it. I'll be the first to admit that this "shake up" stinks for tradition, but the direction our "new" league is moving, we will need to be on CBS at least four/five times a year to make some 3rd tier money. The IMG deal on local stations for a year won't touch one game on CBS.

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Chris Shaw

I just don't like "10" for some reason. Granted it will be harder for other conferences to poach schools from the Big 12 in the future, but if something does happen.........then you are struggling to keep the conference alive.

Look at where the Big East was when Boston College, Miami, and Virignia Tech all left. I mean, history certainly repeats itself and I know the Big 12 doesn't want anything like this to happen again.

If anything like this does happen again........I would prefer it be a "Merge" with everybody in tact than having to stock back up to keep the conference alive. Big difference in those two methods.

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Ron Prichard

I agree with most on here in that I want to get back to 12 schools. I also am of the general belief that the biggest obstacle to that is Texas (and to a lesser extent, OU). But do we really know that to be the case, and do we really know that the remaining schools all want to get back to 12? We all assume this, in part because of Texas' behaviour leading up to now, but I wonder what is really going on behind the scenes.

We blame Texas for not wanting to equally share third tier revenues, but we forget that KU profited more from keeping their third tier revenues than any other school over the last few years, and that includes Texas. Do we really think KU would vote to give that up and share tier 3 equally? Maybe, but my guess is when it was put to a vote, we said no.

We blame Texas and OU for holding at 10 schools, and there really may be more of a divide here than on the revenue sharing, but how do we know OSU or even KU wanted to get to 12? Self said he likes fewer schools. Why do we assume the KU leadership wanted 12? If the Big 12 only goes to 10 schools now, that is more money for each member school. Maybe KU is in the boat that wants to stay at 10 and evaluate the possibility of 12 down the road. Then again, maybe not.

We blame Texas for only a six year grant in rights, and OU apparently wanted 10. I would assume this was probably divided somewhere on the lines of 6-2 on the vote with only UT and TT (Texas' real stooge) voting for the 6 year and everyone else wanting a 10 year grant, but I don't know for sure. I do know that if we can't get 10 years or longer, everyone will take a 6 year grant and be happy for now.

My point is we are all blaming Texas for everything when I am guessing there is more going on behind the scenes. I don't like Texas and I do think their greed was the root cause of this mess. However, don't forget about OU, TAMU or even Nebraska. We tend to forget Nebraska received more than the other schools and they originally voted for unequal revenue sharing. They benefitted from the unequal revenue sharing just like the others. For that matter, KU benefitted much more than MU, KSU, OSU, ISU, Baylor, TT, Colorado and even more than OU in some cases. I'm not so sure we voted for equal sharing. Maybe we did, maybe we didn't.

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Ron Prichard

We all want a bad guy and a good guy when the truth of the matter is each and every one of the schools are looking out for what is in their best interests. We all hope that those interests align and the schools all want the same thing. When those interests diverge, we believe that anyone agreeing with us is smart and good and those not agreeing with us are either stupid or bad. I do think Texas shoulders much of the blame for the unstability of the Big 12. At the same time, I think over the last several months Texas has fought as hard as any school for the survival of the Big 12, even if it was for their own greedy interests. Does that make them stupid? No. Does that make them bad? I don't think so, but their motives may still be selfish. I'm pretty sure all of our motives for what we wanted for KU were selfish and everyone wanted KU to do what was in its own best interests. Leave for the B1G! Go to the PAC, screw KSU! Jump to the ACC with Texas!

Much of what we hear from the power players through the media is made up of mixed messages and half truths. That doesn't mean those behind the comments are idiots. They simply want what is best for their schools in the short and long term. If the Big 12 is not going to 12 teams next year, there may be more of a reason other than Texas and OU not wanting to play a Big 12 championship game. Then again, maybe not, but I do think there is more going on behind the scenes than any of us will know for quite a while, if ever.

On a side note, do you ever notice that everyone you hear speaking up about all of this ends up sounding like an egomaniacal politician? Boren, Deaton, Starr, etc? The few times we hear from Dodds at UT it is very calculated. SZ and BGL have been quite but calculated as well. I think those are the ones that end up having the most credibility. Missouri has a panel of politicos give a press conference and ends up looking foolish. SZ drafts a one paragraph response that was brilliantly crafted and firm and told MU, in essence, thanks for the memories, see ya! Who would you rather represent KU?

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Mike Barnhart

Current TV contracts are locked-in. The money is now shared equally by all 10 teams. Adding two teams would reduced everyones TV money by at least $2 mil. a year.

Want 12 ...you'll have to wait a couple of years for this contract to expire.

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yourworstnightmare

The Big 12 is now the official hillbilly league. Only Arkansas could add to its prowess. Mizzou leaving hurts, but WVU will bring some serious hillbilly cred.

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and now West Virginia? Yeeeee Hawwwww!

5 years, 5 months ago

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FreddyinLA

I understand the possum fritters at Mountaineer games are crazy good.

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Pbbut

The SEC has this beat hands down...Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and Missouri. Listen closely and you'll hear the Duelin' Banjos.

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Robert Brown

It's easy the AD and Chancellor to be quiet when you are not part of the conversation. Have you heard anything from K-State or ISU? No. What do the three have in common? They have NO options and will do anything to keep the Big 12 viable.

I understand the math and if the reason they decide NOT to expand is financial, I am fine with that. Realize that a conference championship game brings in more revenue and that you need to have 12 teams to play a conference championship game.

12 teams are better for KU in many ways. First, it stabilizes the conference. Second, you go back to an 8 game conference season instead of nine which makes it easier to get bowl eligible.

There is a conference model that works and the Big 12 continues to try something different, whether it is revenue sharing, allowing individual teams to for their own networks, conference champioship games with 12 team conferences, etc. The Big 12 does something different driven usually by what UT wants.

If the conference has followed the same model as the SEC, look at how strong they would be today. They have now lost four important schools. All are/were AAU members and three of which - A&M, MU and NU are and will be Top 25 schools in football year in and year out.

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Eric Dawson

I was with you until "A&M, MU and NU are and will be Top 25 schools in football year in and year out." Yes to NU, maybe to A&M (I'm a Jayhawk first, Aggie second, and I think moving to the SEC is a huge mistake for my Ags), but no way to mOO. mOO FB will fade rapidly because it's Texas recruits pipeline will dry up much faster than any pipelines to FL and GA can be built, if ever. Even with playing A&M every year, Texas recruits would only have 1 game every two years at "home" (assuming their families live within 400 miles of B/CS) in Texas if they play for mOO. Why should they play for mOO and never have their folks and friends get a chance to see them play live when they can get at *least* 2 games a year in Texas playing for any Big 12 team. And oh, by the way, there is now another Texas team (TCU) in an AQ conference for whom Texas recruits can hope to play.
And as far as cultivating SE recruits, a diluted version of the same argument applies. A lot of other SEC schools are closer to home.
Maybe Pinkel and mOO will prove me wrong. Only time will tell.

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142466

I think Mizzou is counting on picking up some top FB recruits from Illinois, Indiana,etc. Yankee recruits who dream of eventually playing on Sundays and who therefore want to play in the best collegiate FB league, without having to attend classes with Billy Bob and Sally Mae.

Might work, provided Mizzou doesn't sink to the cellar their first year in. There might be 6 legged mice on Venus, too.

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Eric Dawson

And they are going to steal quality Yankee recruits from the B1G or Notre Dame? Well, most of us not wearing B&G glasses do believe that mOO is delusional, and this idea would tend to support that.

Your comment on Venusian rodentia -- refreshingly erudite!

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straightforward

Did I miss something? Did Billy Bob and Sally Mae drop out of MU?

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Big8fan4life

As an MU fan, I hate all this moving around crap. I liked the way things were. Sure I always wanted to beat KU at basketball, but I never was a psycho KU hater, as most of us aren't. I guess I always considered you, as well as the other big 8 schools our brothers.
So when NU and CU bolted, I was very ticked. I mean, why would our brothers leave us? Then A&M left, and now my team?
I started to think maybe something's wrong with the B12. Maybe not, but when UT, OU, OSU and TT tried to leave, it struck a chord......we are on shaky ground. At that point, I was on board to leave.
So why the long story?
Ask yourselves if you got asked to go to the B10, SEC or PAC, with the given situation, what do you do?
I hope the Big 12 makes it, and hope for the best for the original Big 8. I just hope you don't get left out in the cold.
Brother

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Robert Brown

Thanks for the comment and I think most KU fans are not psycho MU haters. KU-MU was a unique and hard fought rivalry that was fueled by history and the fact that the fans of both teams are intersperced together. We are neighbors, coworkers and relatives.

I have held out hope that MU might decide to stay, but that seems very unlikely. I don't blame MU for leaving and most of the negative comments toward MU on this board from people who are envious that MU has options and KU has none. It's like we have been at a party and all of our friends (MU, CU, NU) have left and we are now alone with our mouthy little brother (KSU) and his friend (ISU), a couple of thugs (OU and UT), and a couple of other guys we don't know very well and have trouble relating to (the other Texas schools).

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Big8fan4life

One good thing about KU is the great basketball. It wouldn't suprise me if that alone could carry you in a more stable conference.
btw....couple of thugs-lol

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FLJHK

I'm a Big 8 fan as well and truly hate all that is going on. I agree that the Big "12" remains on shaky ground and have no faith in its long-term stability.

My only objection with MU is going to the SEC. If it were the Big 10 I would fully understand, and while the PAC never seemed to be in play, that would be understandable as well. But the SEC doesn't seem to be the right cultural fit. I would certainly not want KU to go there, not that I will ever have to worry about that.

Conference shake-ups may subdue for awhile, but they will come back when the BCS contract is restructured in a few years. While I would wish for the remaining nucleus of the old Big 8 to stay together, I've little faith that will happen. I have thought for some time that KU and MU would ultimately go in tandem to the Big 10, along hopefully with others of our Big 8 brethren. So in my view, MU is jumping too soon and in the wrong direction.

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Big8fan4life

Cultural fit? I can only assume from that, you are saying the midwest has more sophistication... a little higher class, maybe?
Funny, I used to think the same way. As a Missourian and an MU grad, I too had the same preconceived prejudice to the south.
However, I moved to Nashville in the 90s, and guess what?

Bubba got a computer, the internet and cable the same time we did in the midwest. Sure, I thought they spoke a little funny, but they are just as quick witted, smart and up to speed on world events as anyone I knew back home. Guess what else? They have the same prejudice to the midwest as we/I had to the south. I guess I was a hillbilly and just didn't know it...hell, maybe I still am.

I travel throughout the U.S. with my work. One thing I've learned about people is, we all think we are a little more in touch than other areas of the States....trust me, we're not.
With that being said, (sorry for the rant) I wish KU would come to the SEC too.

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Steve Brown

My mother and my daughter were born in Missery, and I don't speak to either of them to this day.

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LJD230

Hyperbole?

'The addition of West Virginia, while expanding the reach of the Big 12, brings an impressive institution with esteemed academics ...".

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142466

The interns working at the Commissioner's office suggested that one to Chuck. He mulled it over for a minute and then sighed,, "Yep, you're right. What other choice do I have. Add it to the release. I'll grin and bear it"

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Armen Kurdian

I am sick of this realignment BS in the name of almighty dollars. What's going to happen? Ticket prices go up, official logo licensing costs go up, coaching salaries go up, television deals go up in price, and this steepening curve of college athletics inflation just accelerates. There is no geographic relation whatsoever btwn WV and the rest of the Big 12 schools. How far apart are WB & UT from each other? How about your travel costs? The stress on players? More missed classes? And now the NCAA is entertaining $2K stipends for scholarship athletes. This is ridiculous. Fans & students lose, a select few win.

I'm a big free market person, and don't believe in restrictions on wealth creation. But I really don't see any long-term benefits from realignment. If it just makes everything more expensive, which it will, how have we helped things out?

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Nick Cole

“I think West Virginia is a great addition (to the Big 12 Conference),"

Don't you think we would have assumed Bill Self ment the part in parenthesis? Come on LJW, get real. Sometimes these can be helpful, but other times it's almost insulting to the reader.

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blindrabbit

Big8Fan4Life: Remember it was Missouri that started all this disruption, that led to the departure of teams from the conference. I remember as long ago (as 5-6 years) when MU thought that they were more like the Big10 schools than the rest of us. I laughed that off at the time, and apparently also the Big10 did as well Then it was the SEC and how that has played out.

I think that the fans at MU will be the ones that pay the price, both in terms of travel, tougher competition and diminished academic expectations. Also, to cut the legs off of the Kansas City sports market and Texas recruiting will prove to be costly.

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Big8fan4life

I laughed at it too. I didn't want MU to go anywhere. However, like I said before something is unstable with the B12. I've read it has to do with Texas and sharing, but who knows. For all I know it could have been a couple research big wigs from A&M and MU trying to get more money from UT, and UT called their bluff.

As far as recruting, I tend to believe you. I'm sure they will use the "SEC card."

The KC sports market is yet to be seen; I think the KU/MU rivalry could still continue, and IMO would be good for both programs. The old saying, "don't cut off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind.
P.S. I thought the amputation began with the addition of the Texas teams.

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142466

Anybody considering driving to Morgantown for a FB game take heed:

Missouri is one of only eight States that allow passengers to imbibe in a moving vehicle.

Arkansas and West Virginia share the distinction of going even further: the driver himself can carry an open bottle in a moving vehicle so long as he/she isn't caught taking a sip while the vehicle is moving.

So if that doesn't deter you, go for it. Check the weather forecast, put the kids and bird dog in the back of the pick-up truck, the Mrs. in the passenger seat, and mosey on east. Take a break just shy of Saint Louie to fill "er up and to buy coon skin caps. Then step on it. Still a long drive to West Virginee, that State which boasts of such noble beginnings.

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Eric Dawson

I-70 is only 255 miles from KCK across MO. I know that fuel is cheaper in MO than across the river in Illinois. but ask yourself -- isn't it worth it to pay the $2-$4 more for a tankful of fuel to avoid spending anything in eastern MO?

The only businesses I frequent when driving through MO are the I-70 rest stops.

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NotWiller

I'm joining the conversation WAY late, but i can't believe I'm the first to laugh about this gem from the SEC's announcement:

"Culturally, Missouri is as well known for its barbecue, country music, history and rich tradition as the majority of the current states of the SEC."

Um, can anyone name a bbq style, musical talent, or historical anything (having the Guinness record for most years sucking doesn't count) from Columbia? From Lexington? From....man, I can't believe I'm even going to ask this....College Station??!!

I'm not a regular consumer of country music, so just to be sure I didn't miss the fact that Garth what's-his-dinkle or someone else famous is from Columbia, I did a quite google. I'll save you the effort: the search turns up three country radio stations, four country swing bars, and a whole bunch of nothing else.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!

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Vernon Riggs

BBQ is from Kansas City, but Kansas City isn't going with Mizzou to the SEC (if they go). KANSAS City is Jayhawk Country.

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142466

Yeah, I , too, chuckled when I first read it. Was it meant to be insulting or complimentary?

Probably both. Depends, I suppose, upon to whom it is uttered. Whoever wrote it should seek employment with Letterman or with a presidential campaign. Rare talent on display here.

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Eric Dawson

Wasn't a very good Google on mOO if you didn't find Sheryl Crow for music. Not pure country, but then she really is a crossover artist. As to other cultural influences and history, there's Brad Pitt, Tom Berenger, Robert Loggia, Jon Hamm, Richard Matheson, Mort Walker, Kenneth Lay (yes, that guy), Elizabeth Vargas and far too many ESPN people.

Of course, Sam Clemens is probably the best thing to ever come from the state of Missouri, but he never attended mOO, left Missouri around age 25 and spent the majority of his life everywhere but Missouri, settling in Connecticut for his last 3 decades. So why mention him at all? Because he wrote this, and it's easy to see the ties to his Missouri youth --

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain, "Innocents Abroad"

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Vernon Riggs

I hate to admit this but since this board is anonymous I can say it. My wife got her Master's on-line from Mizzou. She never set foot on the campus but the degree is from Mizzou. I hope that everyone will allow me to stay. She roots for KU now.

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Vernon Riggs

Interesting reading about a possible reason why Mizzou hasn't announced joining the SEC:

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/rick...

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Big8fan4life

I found this read interesting http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2...

Food for thought maybe.

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Vernon Riggs

Another interest angle on the Big 12. Is Texas that smart?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/91...

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Travis Clementsmith

That has to be one of the most confusing articles I've ever read. Texas doesn't have an agreement with the BCS about its bowl eligibility like Notre Dame does. Why would Texas choose to limit most of its games to the LHN when it doesn't have a wide dissemination? Would the networks pay much for a conference that no longer had Texas as a football member?

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Vernon Riggs

I agree with the confusing part. Plus, I don't think Texas is that smart to figure all of that out. But on the other hand, look how much much money the PAC12 got without a Texas or an OU or an OSU.

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FLJHK

Not sure I buy much of it but VERY interesting stuff. Thanks for the link.

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Steve Brown

Travel to UWV for non rev sports will be tough.

Water under bridge now, yet wish the voters had flown to DFW or O'Hare, then fly to Pittsburg, PA, get on a team bus drive 90+ miles over mountains to Morgantown.
Have contest, spend the night in Pittsburg and fly home next day.....Might as well be Vermont.

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Vernon Riggs

Try going to Lawrence, Manhatten, Lubbock, Waco, College Station, Ames, Columbia, Stillwater; it isn't easy.

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Steve Brown

My head holds out hope MU will stay, my heart wants them to resign B12 lose the SEC invite at last minute and be forced to join Mountain West after we get LouieVuhl.

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142466

I wonder if adding the Cardinals could assist KU's quest to eventually overtake UK for all-time BB wins. Maybe, if Loui's step-up in conference affiliation allows them to wrest away some of UK's recruits. During several long stretches of my long life, Louisville BB was consistently top ten.

Basketball-wise, though, maybe they're not stepping-up. I'm not sure. I never did follow Big-East BB very closely because I've never possessed sufficient intellect to figure out exactly who and their brother-in-law was in it, from year to year, and which sports each member played and didn't play. It deserves to die, much more so than the Big12.

I chuckled at your spelling of LouieVuhl.

It summoned up memories from the 1960s. Cardinal BB was on Saturday afternoon TV a lot, deservedly so. They were a big deal. (E.g., KU's Ted Owens had a truly awesome, dominating, 1970-71 team that lost only one game all year (it was to Louisville on their home court) prior to entering the final 4. A final four in which KU gave mighty UCLA a real scare, deep into the second half.) Well, anyway, Louisville had this PA announcer who seemed to shout, in four syllables every chance he got, "LouieVuhla"..My buddies and I would then quip, "I know what that guy does for a living on Sunday mornings. Right now he's warming up."

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Vernon Riggs

Matt,
Is Monday, Oct-31st the day that Mizzou will announce leaving the Big12 for the SEC? Doesn't Mizzou's Chancellor Brady Deaton leave on a trip to India on Tuesday?

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Eric Dawson

Deaton has cancelled his trip top India.
No announcement either way as of 5:30 p.m. today.

What was announced today -- WVU has filed suit to leave the BEast after this year.
Article: http://content.usatoday.com/communiti...

Text of suit: http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college/...

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