Realignment Today: 3:27 p.m. - The latest on where Mizzou stands. Didn't you miss this?

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Good afternoon and welcome to another week of conference realignment madness.

While things have calmed substantially in terms of where Kansas University might be headed — it’s clear that the Jayhawks are staying in the Big 12 — the threat of realignment still looms and currently seems to be affecting at least three other conferences, perhaps more.

Just as they like it, the Missouri Tigers are at the center of this latest round and they have been for quite some time. In case you haven’t cared, haven’t paid close attention or simply haven’t noticed, here’s a quick recap of what Mizzou has been up to.

• Summer 2010 — The Tigers openly flirt with their dream league, the Big Ten, sparking a string of realignment unlike any we’ve ever seen. The end result sent Colorado to the Pac-10 and Nebraska to the Big Ten and left the Big 12 with 10 teams.

• Early August 2011 — After talk of Texas A&M to the SEC turned serious, the Tigers were rumored to be one of the SEC’s targets for a 14th school.

• Late August 2011 — Despite the rumors continuing to fly, Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton and athletic director Mike Alden remain committed to the Big 12 and, in many ways, serve as the face of the fight to save the league.

• Mid-September 2011 — The Big 12 is saved, thanks largely to the Pac-12 deciding against expansion and everyone believes it’s time to move on with a new commissioner and a unified league. Everyone except Missouri.

• Early October 2011 — After Deaton resigns his post as the chairman of the Big 12 board of directors, Missouri curators authorize Deaton to act on behalf of the university in any future realignment discussions.

And, with that, we’re caught up. Taking last summer’s episode out of the equation, the prevailing thought from those I’ve spoken with throughout the league has been that Missouri was going to stay and was simply just soaking up its time in the spotlight. As the days and weeks went by, however, those feelings, which started out close to 100 percent, slowly weakened. After each move or announcement Missouri made, the percentage would dip.

It reached its lowest point during conversations last week, in which multiple sources said it’s now 50-50 for the Tigers to stay or go.

Although that news seems to be ominous for the future of the KU-MU rivalry, it actually won’t do much to harm the league. Is the Big 12 better with Missouri in it? Perhaps. But will the league be crippled if the Tigers leave? Nope. They proved that by adding TCU despite Missouri’s uncertainty. And, if MU leaves, they’ll add another team or three and be just fine.

That’s the part of this whole equation that doesn’t quite add up. Sure, Missouri is a valued member of the Big 12 and one that the league would like to keep. But it seems to me — and to others — that the Tigers are overvaluing their place in all this.

Maybe that comes from the SEC reaching out and asking them to join. Maybe the Tigers got big heads when they heard that someone else wanted them and they haven’t been thinking right ever since.

Forget what the Tigers’ departure would do to the Border War or the rest of the conference. Kansas City stands to be the biggest loser in all this, and it’s quite clear that the Tigers — at least the ones who are making this decision — don’t really care. No more Big 12 tournament, no more conference affiliation, no more city divided. Just a bunch of KU fans, with a smattering of purple and a handful of misplaced and abandoned supporters of the black and gold.

Those who cover Mizzou a lot more closely than I do seem to think it’s only a matter of time now.

This report, from Mr. SEC, quotes Mizzou’s Rivals.com site, PowerMizzou.com, as saying the ball could be rolling on a move by the end of the week.

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/missouri-taking-steps-toward-the-sec/

And here’s a good take from The Oklahoman’s Berry Tramel on how Mizzou’s decision impacts future Big 12 expansion.

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2011/10/17/big-12-football-how-missouris-decision-affects-expansion/

The bottom line is this: We’ve reached the point where people are ready for Missouri to do whatever it’s going to do. If they’re leaving, great, get on with it, go. If they’re staying, stop making this about you and jump on board with the rest of the league in its effort to move forward.

The official paperwork on the granting of television rights is expected to be signed soon. After the nine schools on board in the Big 12 sign it, it will be sent to Columbia, Mo., and will act as an ultimatum of sorts.

It’s not the strongest move the Big 12 could make. But it may be the smartest.

The question that now lingers is if the Tigers will make a move before they even receive the paperwork.

Stay tuned....

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Ben Kane

I have been a proponent of not wanting to lose this rivalry but at this point I just don't care. I just want them to get on with it already.

7 years, 8 months ago

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baldwinjhawk

DITTO! We will probably play them occasionally. On our terms for sure. Self might throw them a bone and play them at the sprint center in a few years but i doubt that we'll still play the game in arrowhead. That just wouldn't make sense for us. We'll just have to direct all of our hatred towards manhattan. It's just not as fun to hate the farmers ....(

7 years, 8 months ago

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Matt Tait

You're right... They're not going to leave. They'll still live there and whatnot, but they won't be nearly as vocal and visible because they won't have any reason to be.

Right now, KC is in the middle of a great situation for college athletics. If Mizzou leaves, it becomes a pro town without good pro teams. Too bad.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Yosemite

Saying Mizzou fans won't be nearly as visible or vocal makes no sense at all. The conference tournament is only 4 days a year. Just because they move to a different conference, you think you won't see anyone wearing black and gold all year long? You think the trash talking will end between fans? There will just be another conference to talk about.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Jack McEnaney

Right on the money. Do you notice all the purple in kc these days? The black and gold will disappear and only occasionally show their ugly colors. "Remember when Mizzou used to be relevent around hear?" That was before they became a perrenial doormat in football and basketball. And squash the "mizzou will own sec basketball" talk right now. They will sink every penny into football. Still they will sink. Or stink. G - E - T. .... O- U -T

7 years, 8 months ago

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Red_N_Blue_KU

@Yosemite. The tournament is only 4 days out of the year but over that week it brings in $14,000,000 to KC. Also I have heard that since the conception of the big 12 the total revenue from the basketball tournaments and the football conference championships held in KC has brought in easily over 300 million. Also since the rivalry between KU and MU would basically stop, there would be no reason for them to be vocal they would have no local competition. If they leave for the SEC, then they will never hold a conference championship or conference tournament close to them again. So they will not be playing in KC... except for maybe a few basketball non conference games. Bill Self has made it very clear that he will not be playing MU if the decide to go.

7 years, 8 months ago

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MWShields

Many Mizzou fans in KC don't understand that with this move the epicenter of Mizzou sports becomes St. Louis and Cape Girardeau.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Mike Barnhart

K.C. is Big 12 country. It's a city full of Jayhawks, Tigers, Wildcats, Cyclones, Huskers, some Sooners & a few Cowboys. Nebraska left and I'd argue they're now off the radar in K.C.. The same will be true for Mizzou. Mizzou vs.Ol' Miss in Mississippi ...who cares? Mizzou playing in the SEC b-ball tourney in Atlanta ...eh, so what!

Bye-bye Missou. You're now an afterthought in Big 12 country.

7 years, 8 months ago

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jhwkswn

One would think that, over time, there would be less and less mizoo fans in the area, too, just from the simple fact of kids growing up being exposed to more KU coverage vs mu coverage. Of course, there will always be some mizoo fans around to stink up the place, but KU will own the KC market even more than it does now. Fine with me!! If they make this move, I really think mizoo will regret it somewhere down the line. Again, fine with me. Just another reason to point and laugh at the hillbillies. Don't let the door hit you, dumbnutz.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Rock_Chalk_NYC

However, if Mizzery leaves and we add Cincy, Louisville and W.VA Kansas City remains somewhat the center of the Big 12 geographically and why would the Big 12 Tournament leave such a great venue as KC??? No real reason. It may rotate but it might not... Kansas City is the best place for the BBall tourney and everyone knows it. I too prefer Mizzery to stay but if not, Kansas City will be fine.

7 years, 8 months ago

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jephweiser

No, you are right. MU fans won't leave the KC and up and move, but the collective attention of the city will never be on the SEC. Why? Because we are not a southern city. Yes, Mizzou fans will still follow their team, but the coverage of their team and their place in KC's sports world will be severely diminished. As it stands now, KU and KState fans tune in and follow MU because they are a rival and because they are conferece foe. What they do affects us. The Star will still cover MU, but outside of your die hard MU fan, no one will care about their game vs. Mississippi State. KC is a heartland city and the Big 12 is the heartland conference. When the SEC basketball tourney is in Atlanta and Big 12 is in Oklahoma City, coverage will be 10-1 focused on OKC. When LSU is playing Florida in the SEC football Championship game, no one around here will care. None of us have any connection to them.

But, your damn right we'll care when it's K-State vs OU or even Texas vs. OSU in the Big 12 Championship game (and yes, we'll be expanding and have that game again). Why? Because we know those schools and have opinions and passions that have history. Kansas City Media and our collective attention will always look to the Big 12. It's too bad the MU is leaving in the sense that KC was the northern hub of the conference and one of the conference epicenters. Now, that's diminished. People in St. Louis don't care about that. They don't care about anything but the Cardinals and their crappy beer. But that city runs the state and KC has no pull.

So leave already. If I'm an MU fan in KC, I'd be upset. You're feeling all high and mighty now, but in the end you're not only going to be irrelevant in the SEC and an "also-ran," but your old hated rivals just won't care about you anymore. Good luck finding new rivals like Vanderbilt and South Carolina I guess. We're about to go get WVU, Louisville and Cincinnati (Schools that unlike Missouri have actually been to Final Fours and BCS bowl games).

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MWShields

MU fans aren't going to leave the city but they won't be engaged with the other local schools. Much like Nebraska, MU will be the afterthought in this city, the focus will be on the local schools who still play each other not on a middle of the pack to bottom of the pack MU team playing halfway across the country. Remember that fan bases grow because a team wins. If MU had not been successful over the past 5 years in football how rabid would their fanbase be? Continually losing in the SEC will take its toll on fans and younger kids will be influenced by programs that are winning.

KC is a Chiefs town first then a KU town second.

7 years, 8 months ago

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hbjayhawk

I think the Mizzou folks are making a grave mistake by betting on the SEC. I really don't think they will be able to contend in the SEC for anything. In fact, if they depart, I believe KU will benefit from being closer to the homes of many of the families who want to travel and watch their kids play. How many Mizzou families can afford to drive to Birmingham, Tuscaloosa, or Gainsville in a weekend? To jump in their station wagons and visit Lawrence, Norman, Austin, etc. makes much more sense. I hope Mizzou stays because it just makes sense. They will probably leave because that's how Mizzou does it . . . bass ackwards . . .

7 years, 8 months ago

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recentgrad

I don't know if anyone else noticed this at the Mizzou game this week, but they did not have the Big XII logo on their field, it was replaced with some ugly afterthought logo for their homecoming

7 years, 8 months ago

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Kent Wells

I didn't notice. Mostly because I'd rather watch paint dry than Mopery on TV. Seriously, you have cable TV. 200 channels. There has to be something on to watch. Even one of those Spanish channels.

However, despite my need to pick on Misserym that is an interesting observation. I wonder what that means... Not showing much loyalty to the XII!

7 years, 8 months ago

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tobyfoo

If Missouri leaves and we get Louisville, BYU, and West Virginia, we would be a much stronger basketball league. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Missouri!

7 years, 8 months ago

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Pbbut

It's not any more about Missouri than it was any of the schools, it's about the conference and its quality. Synopsis, in the last two years we're down Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and potentially MU. We've added TCU. Someone explain the upside to all of this to the conference?

7 years, 8 months ago

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142466

You are essentially correct. OU and UT have always dominated the key sport, FB, and likely always will.

However, every member school should be focusing on 3 things: (1) The league needs to get back to 12. That is the direction that all of the surviving BCS schools are going. Big 12 should avoid being unstable and perceived as inferior. (2) We need to sign up strong new members ASAP, because there aren't many B12 caliber candidates available. Don't let them commit to one of the other surviving BCS conferences while we twidle our thumbs. (3) Two things that hinder the league's expansion efforts can be overcome. First, pressure Mizzou to decide soon. Second, OU and UT need to convince the public (especially, potential invitees) that they're commited to the B12 long-term, not just for 6 years. I leave it to smarter heads than me to determine how they can do that.

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Steve Corder

Spot-on.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Steve Hillyer

what Pbbut said....we lose 3 70,000 plus seat stadiums and replace them with a 40,000 one, 4 major universities with a not so major university

7 years, 8 months ago

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franklin2739

Colorado's gone. However, it would be nice if KU had at least one team they could beat in football every year

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Kent Wells

I think in this scenario, that makes Iowa State the submarie in Gilligans Island driven by the blind Japanese guy? Of course, I shouldn't pick on the cyclowns because they'll probably set some school record against us. Maybe they wont print T-shrits. Geesh, Georgia Tech - how high school was that?!?

What is KU? One of those milkweed boats I made when I was 4? Do we have weapons, or are we some sort of decoy?

7 years, 8 months ago

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Eric Williams

You do realize in terms of TV money, KU was and is in the top 2.

Tier I and Tier II are national/regional tv appearances and the equal profit-sharing hurts KU. KU's regular national TV appearances in Basketball more than make up for it's lack of presence on TV in football.

Now this argument is only in terms of TV money. Football provides more money in sheer volume with stadium capacity, concessions, etc. But I thought you might want to know that when it comes to the TV portion of the business KU is doing fine.

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Kent Wells

I do realize that. I am a regular reader on kusports.com.

I am wondering if you realize that football is driving all this nonsense and KU was almost homeless because we have a 600-yard per game product on the field. MU is almost off tto the SEC and what was their rank? Were they No. 1? So, yahoo, we are No. 2. Yet nobody wants us because of that Saturday train wreck. What good is the basketball program doing KU in the world of conference realignment? What will be the TV money after the successful conculsion of this season?

7 years, 8 months ago

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Sam Constance

KU was never nearly as close to homeless as all the chicken littles on this blog were going into hysterics about.

Too many insecure KU fans feeling down about the terrible football team we've had over the past couple years are letting that pessimism bleed into everything.

KU wasn't one of the "power brokers" in the realignment mess, but I guarantee that a BCS conference would have been happy to welcome a national brand and instant credibility in basketball to their conference. If you break down realignment in terms of influencing factors by percentage, football would be the biggest. But it wasn't the only factor that played a big part.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Hammertoe

The facts are every team that had an invitation to join another conference has done so. Why? Trading Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou for TCU has no upside. A 6 year contract doesn't bode well for stability.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Bill Kackley

I hate to see the effect on KC but I think the Big 12 should just tell Misery, "You have one week to make your choice and then we will make it for you. OUT!

7 years, 8 months ago

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Steve Brown

deja vu all over again.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Kristen Downing

I don't like to see KC hurt either, but I will enjoy seeing MU get the beatdown in football in the SEC and the penalties to the basketball team after the NCAA investigation is finished on Haith. Karma is a B****! I say skip BYU, too many TV demands. Take Louisville, West Vriginia and Cincinnati.

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texashawk10

Why is BYU's TV demands a big issue? All home football and basketball games on an ESPN network isn't exactly a huge roadblock since the Big 12 already has a football and basketball contract in place with ESPN and is getting ready to renegotiate it in a couple of years anyway. BYU's TV contract is a non-issue right now and if MU leaves, we may be getting ready to find out how serious BYU is about making it as an independent in football or if that was a "CYA" for the public after not getting an invite to the PAC.

7 years, 8 months ago

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ejlumus

No play on Sunday .............

7 years, 8 months ago

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texashawk10

Big 12 doesn't play basketball on Sunday's to begin with and the conference tournament has been Wednesday to Saturday for a couple of years now. Women's basketball plays their weekday games Tuesday/Wednesday and weekend games Saturday and Sunday which just means BYU would play all their weekend games on Saturday to conform to that rule. The rest of their sports wouldn't have to join the Big 12 in order to keep their travel costs down, but even if they do join in all sports, it wouldn't be that difficult to schedule around their "no play on Sunday" rule.

7 years, 8 months ago

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William Weissbeck

I tend to agree with Pbbut. Seems to me all the conferences including the Big East are doing the best to protect themselves, at our expense. I don't see ANY schools being available to the Big 12 in a few weeks. Certainly not the major FB and BB schools like Louisville and West VA. We needed to make a play for UConn, Cinci and these other two a few weeks back. This is more an exercise in mutual assured destruction. MU won't come out of this better, just richer. Anyone remember the last Vandy or UK FB team that won a major bowl. Of course not, but they don't care. Vandy is perfectly fine being the smart school with decent BB. UK only cares about a team of 5-star recruits and how many will turn pro. KU MUST have competition deep into February in order to play deep into March. You can't schedule a bunch of non-conference games during that period, especially if all the other conferences super size.

7 years, 8 months ago

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BigAl

Some of you keep saying that basketball doesn't count. If basketball doesn't count, would someone please explain to me how and why KU has consistently been third or fourth in conference payout money? It sure isn't because of football. Football is definitely the driving force here but basketball does count.

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actorman

You're right on, BigAl. Put it this way: if basketball didn't count, there's a good chance that KU wouldn't be in a BCS conference.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Andrew Washington

...well Iowa State is in a BCS conference, so is CU and South Florida.

7 years, 8 months ago

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actorman

All of those teams come from states with larger populations than Kansas. A better argument would be that KSU is in a BCS conference. I can't refute that one. But the situation would certainly be much more precarious without basketball. At least that gives KU a little bit of leverage and makes us a mid-level BCS prospect, as opposed to ISU and KSU, which may have trouble staying in a BCS conference if things keep going the way they are.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Kristen Downing

On the Louisville fan blog sights, the fans are begging for MU to leave and they want to be invited to the Big 12. Not that the fans matter in this mess. We better get our butts in gear before the Big East increases their exit fees.

7 years, 8 months ago

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texashawk10

They apparently do to Missouri officials which is why MU is getting ready to make the biggest mistake in school history if they leave the Big 12.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Sam Constance

And it's so typically Missouri.

When it is most appropriate for people like MU officials, Missouri-based politicians and other figures of power to step in and provide some reason and forethought, they are nowhere to be found. Instead, they are content to listen to the toothless rabble happily angst themselves into an incredibly stupid decision.

As a KU fan, I'm conflicted. Truth be told, I want Missouri to stay. Our history with them goes back as long as any rivalry in the country, and the state history that predates the university rivalry introduces an element of complexity and interest. And even if we continue to embarrass them in basketball and have them win the recent series in football, the rivalry isn't the same without the force of being in each other's backyard, conference-wise. There is less intensity to the rivalry when it's only in two sports and the games mean nothing as it relates to conference titles. At that point it's just empty bragging rights.

KU and MU can still play each other, but they will be done competing as schools and athletic departments. It won't be the same.

All that being said, if they really want to do this, like a fickle 5-year old who just got a new toy and all of a sudden thinks his favorite toy is stupid, then I have two words:

f*** 'em.

It's so fitting of Misery's loser culture to do something like this. Throw away decades of history and everything that makes college athletics meaningful and interesting, all because of....

...what, exactly? The "best" reason I've heard from the mouth of a Misery fan is based on the idea of "competing with the best" in the SEC. That's evidence of a loser culture right there--you care more about what the conference in which you compete says about you than what your own school's choices and actions say about you.

MU will lose it's recruiting pipeline in Texas. They will have a harder time breaking into Florida than they did breaking into Texas. They may compete eventually, but in the Big 12, they were easily a football team in the top 3rd of the conference more often than not under Pinkel. It's highly unlikely that will occur in the SEC, and even if it eventually does, I don't think MU fans realize that there is going to be a lull in their competitiveness as their choices affect their recruiting. Of course, the funny part is that they still haven't won anything of real weight in the Big 12, but are ready to go conquer the SEC.

To close with another analogy--it's like a mountain climber who has tried to master the Rockies time and time again, only to fail, and decides to change his luck by trying the Himalayas.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Scott Smetana

Let Methsewery go. I don't even call it a rivalry. They are classless, with a history of treating our fans and players like crap in Columbia. They are classless in bars. I want nothing to do with them.

You forgot to mention above how they are 'considering' the SEC. Just like the B1G, the SEC wants nothing to do with them. Can we please vote them out? They are responsible for starting all of this and the reason I can no longer go to Jayhawk games in Boulder. Thanks Mizzery.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Clarence Haynes

I am sure that they have assessed this, but it appears to me that if it joins the SEC, Mizzou will have a dismal SEC football record, attendance will drop, and TV viewing will fall off, thereby offsetting much of any revenue gains derived from its pact with the SEC. After its demise, It also would not surpise me if their endowments fall off also and thus, it becomes a bigger time loser. That, however, is for Mizzou to decide if the grass is greener on the other side!

Frankly, we will be fine.

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actorman

Not only that, but their travel expenses would also be greater. Of course that would be one of the nice byproducts of them leaving: seeing them make less money and be less competitive. I might actually watch more of their games, just to enjoy the regular stompings they would be getting in both major sports.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Yosemite

Their attendance will drop? I guess that's why they're planning on expanding their stadium to seat 85,000.

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actorman

Good point, Yosemite. The attendnce would probably go up, at least for a while, as the fans of the powerhouse SEC teams made trips to Columbia to enjoy the thrashings.

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Yosemite

I guess that's how Missouri will be able to recover the tax revenues lost from not having the basketball tournament in KC every year.

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Dyrk Dugan

If Moo really wanted to leave, they would have left. the problem is, they're leaving in the middle of football season.....so if they want to join a league next year, steep exit fees.

i'm sure there is some negotiation on that right now....but truly, the money just can't be that much greater in the SEC. do they reach more TV homes? yes they do. do most big coastal conferenes reach more homes than the Big 12? of course.

i've said it all along: Missouri wants and has always coveted being in the Big 10. now they're trying to be pretty for the SEC (Dang i hope OSU drills them this weekend). all they're trying to do, is make themselves be in the news. it's all hype all the time....they are the ultimate in whining about things on and off the field.

supposedly, per some radio reports here in KC, they would have part of their deal with any league they're in, that they would be backed by the conference for "tiered bowl selection." in other words, they are still ticked off for the Orange Bowl KU went to four years ago!

the Tiggers were also bypassed last year for the Insight Bowl...and of course, ISU won and brought more fans to it anyway. (KU won the Orange Bowl and brought good fan numbers too).

so it's all very petty with them.....they are so full of themselves, it's unbelieveable. i'll say it again: they will regret going to the SEC. maybe not now, not next year, not five years...but they will regret it. those travel budgets will be huge...and their fanbase will be crying.

Plus, we're not playing them. Bill Self has already put them on notice...and what good would it do in football to play them? they leave the league, it's done. over and out. the Border War will end. dang, would i love to play them in a bowl game sometime......i would make that game, no matter what. that would be so much fan to kick their tail in postseason....in either sport.

Go Jayhawks!

7 years, 8 months ago

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actorman

I wouldn't love to play them in a bowl game, because that would mean they would actually make one. Of course if they did make a bowl game, it would be great to stomp their a**es.

7 years, 8 months ago

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lama

If they leave, I hope there's a push in the next decade for a new basketball arena in Johnson County or in Wyandotte County near the Speedway. Because there's absolutely no reason to hold any Big 12 events in Missouri anymore.

7 years, 8 months ago

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nuleafjhawk

Photo caption:

Man - " I wish we could beat KU someday."

Woman - " Well, you can wish in one hand.................."

7 years, 8 months ago

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escaped_labrat

heck with it! KU should sign up for football and go independent in basketball ala Notre Dame in football.....I'll bet we'd do just fine on that deal ;-)

7 years, 8 months ago

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vuduchyld

How many teams named the Tigers can the S.E.C. possibly house?

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actorman

Are there any other Bulldogs out there? If Misuse joins the SEC, then they'd have to get another Bulldog team to balance out the Tigers.

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sfury2005

Kinda funny how Texas A&M leaving causes OU,OSU,TT and UT to try and walk while Mr. Deaton fought for the survival of the Big 12 but MU is now being made out the bad guys. While those 4 schools were lifting their skirts for the Pac 12 and are only back in the big 12 because the Pac 12 turned them down, Mr. Deaton was talking with the Big East about merging to keep the big 12 teams together.

From what I've read and heard there are 2 reasons MU is exploring their options.

1) They want 12 teams in the Big 12 but it appears the league will stay at 10 if they stay.
2) They wanted a Grant of TV rights to last as long as the Tier 2 contract recently signed. In other words they wanted a 13 year grant of tier 1 and 2 TV rights but only got 6 years. Had this agreement been 13 years it's more than likely MU would have been all in and said so.

The thought is that Texas only wants 6 years as it's long enough for them to see how well LHN is working out. They can then either become independent or dump it and head to the Pac 12 with OU,OSU and TT thus leaving the Big 12 teams behind.

As for last year No official of MU said they wanted to leave the Big 12 as that was anonymous sources and innuendo. No proof of any universities except Texas and Nebraska talking to the Big 10. Now our Governor whose an idiot and a lot of the fans that were bragging about the Big 10 made me cringe a lot. But I think the majority of MU fans are like myself and didn't want to go.

As an MU fan I might not be welcome here but I thought I would add something to the discussion that isn't being said. I think most MU fans respect all the universities of the Big 12 as I know I do and will greatly miss the rivalries if MU leaves. I think we can all admit that the best place for MU is the Big 12 if it is a stable conference that will be around for a long time. But with OU,OSU,UT and TT only committed for 6 years is it stable or will this all be happening all over again in a few years?

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Al Salazar

3) Further, Missouri has wanted new rules governing the slotting order for bowl games. Missouri, after beating Kansas in the 2007 Border War football game at Arrowhead Stadium, was passed over by the Orange Bowl in favor of KU.

Last year, despite beating Texas A&M, the Cotton Bowl invited the Aggies rather than Missouri. Also, in the opinion of MU officials, the Big 12 did not prevent Iowa State, another team MU had defeated, from being selected ahead of the Tigers in the bowl order as well.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/10/...

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Hammertoe

Exactly.... that would have never happened in the SEC. If Mizzou leaves for the SEC, why would they want to play KU? Bill Self assumes MU would want to keep the rivalry going, but why? Outside Kansas and Missouri, the Border Wars do not get that much publicity.... Not like kansas is a recruiting hot bed in any sport..

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lama

Mizzou gets passed over for decent bowls because their fans don't travel.

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franklin2739

The only time MU fills their B-Ball arena is when they play Kansas. of course they are going to want to play them. It is the only game of national significance MU plays in either sport, typically.

7 years, 8 months ago

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MWShields

And since in the SEC they will struggle to win 6 games each year this problem will be solved. They won't have to worry about being passed over again.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Hammertoe

Well Said. Kansas fans are blaming Mizzou because they have options? Whether they stay or leave, they have an option. The Big 12 is only on a 6 year contract. Without Mizzou and the addition of TCU, the Big 12 power will be in Texas. KU will be kissing the Long horns behinds for years to come...

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Sam Constance

There is more to college athletics than "having options".

If KU was the school flirting with moving, I would be just as pi**ed, if not moreso.

Most of what makes college athletics great is the fact that you compete regionally, instilling a competitiveness with your fellow geography-dwellers while also fostering a regional identity as it compares to the rest of the country.

Would I rather compete in the Big East or SEC than a non-BCS conference? Absolutely. But given my choice of places to compete, it's the Big 12 without a doubt.

I just find something incredibly galling about saying "we need more stability!!!!" out of one side of the mouth while saying "we're exploring our options" with the other. If MU was really interested in staying, given a few changes (like increasing the 6-year grant of rights being longer and the growing to 12 teams), then it seems like the best leverage they could have is to form a coalition within the non-Texas members of the Big 12, the same way Deaton and co. supposedly worked to save the Big 12 in the first place. There is one Texas in the Big 12. There are 9 other teams. I'm getting tired of the continued line that Texas is the reason this is messed up. Missouri is just as much to blame, and they are proving it here again.

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Brian Skelly

Mizzou is as good as gone. This is almost the exact timeline/playbook that A&M used and it worked just like they figured. While ive stated I do personally want them to stay, I can tell you im just at a point where I dont care anymore. @#$@ or get off the pot.

Being in St. Louis, there was a time where the inability to watch KU games with Mizzou's withdraw of the conference would have sucked hard. Nowadays though, thats nearly irrelevant. Between, internet and satellite/cable theres easy access to games.

I've told my Mizzou fans just that too. I dont care. They think Im supposed to, which goes back to the vanity of all this, but I dont. Im quite sure KC fans DO, because it will hurt KC with Mizzou leaving. Yes, those fans arent "leaving", but im quite sure now the rest of them (KU, KSU, OU, OSU, ISU) will simply ignore Mizzou as much as they've wanted to for years now. Now they just can and will, because they simply wont matter as much.

I actually do think eventually Mizzou will compete (somewhat) in the SEC, but it'll take time. Regardless... just do it already. Or dont. But then just @$#@ the @#$@ up.

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Varlo52

Right now Florida has the worst fans in the SEC. They were once superbly described as "overbearing in victory and whiny in defeat." (I'm only 35 miles from Gainesville and have to listen to them daily.) If the SEC gets Mizzery the Gators will lose that distinction and I will have two SEC teams to hate.

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Varlo52

Right now Florida has the worst fans in the SEC. They were once described as "overbearing in victory and whiny in defeat." (I'm only 35 miles from Gainesville and have to listen to them daily.) If the SEC gets Mizzery the Gators will lose that distinction and I will have two SEC teams to hate.

7 years, 8 months ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Tait dreams of never having to type the word realignment again!

7 years, 8 months ago

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Steve Corder

I don't care if Dallas becomes the epicenter for the conference basketball tournament because of geographical proximity for most schools. Dallas doesn't support the tournament with butts in the seats. KC will/should keep the tournament regardless of MU.

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Hammertoe

Last I checked, the Sprint Center was in Missouri. Have you ever heard of a conference tournament held in a state with no conference members? If Mizzou leaves, KU will be sucking up to the state of Texas for years to come.

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Sam Constance

No, but I also haven't heard of many situations where a major metropolis straddled two states that were in different conferences either.

If something as stupid as MU leaving the Big 12 for the SEC is possible, then I would say that playing the Big 12 basketball tournament in a city that is dominated by the fans of two schools within the conference is just as possible.

Playing the Big 12 tourney in KC without MU in the Big 12 makes more sense than MU playing in the SEC.

Plus, it's not like taking it out of Missouri really sticks it to the university at all. On the contrary, I think it would be more of a message to the university to have the tournament remain in KC and thrive like it always had even though it's not inside a member state of the Big 12. Show MU just how irrelevant they really are.

7 years, 8 months ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience

Topeka has the expo center!

7 years, 8 months ago

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Robert Howard

According to the University of Missouri System site, the curators are scheduled to meet this Thursday & Friday at UMKC.

http://www.umsystem.edu/curators/meet...

I just hope this all comes to a conclusion soon. The Big 12 needs to get on with their expansion plans, which seem to be on hold until Mizzou makes their decision.

While the Big 12 waits, the Big East is posturing to add teams, and the C-USA and MWC are proposing a strategic alliance in football. It sounds like we'd better get in the game soon if we want first dibs on which schools to invite to get back to 12 teams (my preference).

7 years, 8 months ago

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Jack Wilson

"But it seems to me — and to others — that the Tigers are overvaluing their place in all this."

Tait .. nice quote .. doesn't this statement apply to every MU is involved with? It is their very being.

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142466

I want Mizzou to stay. However, here's couple of ideas for you guys to consider.

If Mizzou goes to the SEC, their high-end football recruiting in yankee states, especially in Illinois, might dramatically improve. SEC is the top FB conference. Top midwestern recruits would now have the opportunity to play in the SEC, while attending college in a primarily yankee state.

If Mizzou leaves, Louisville, Cincinnati, and WVU are less attractive entrants, because they would not be in States contiguous with the main group of B12 States. It's destabilizing, especially because the east is heavily populated. Noncontiguous schools on the eastern fringe of the midwest that prove to be weak FB additions (Louisville & Cincinnati) will soon desire to return to eastern leagues.

Adding Boise (I was once opposed, but now I favor) and BYU creates the non-contiguous situation, too; but it's not as important because Mountain States' population density is much lower (but growing), because Boise & BYU are likely to be competitive in FB from the start, and because these 2 schools really don't have an alternative more attractive than the B12. They are likely to be loyal members. So, I favor western expansion over eastern. I do sense, though, that the number of people agreeing with me on this is steadily decreasing.

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ejlumus

You need to do a liitle reading on the religious cult. Your views would probably change.

7 years, 8 months ago

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actorman

All religions are cults, so then we might as well exclude Baylor and TCU too. "Religion: a big fight over who has the best imaginary friend."

7 years, 8 months ago

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franklin2739

if the Big 12 takes any of the remaining big east schools I don't see the chances of them leaving for another conference any greater than BYU or Boise going to the PAC. I'm not worried about any school we take leaving. I'm worried about UT and OU deciding to go to the ten or the pac if the offer comes. Adding boise makes little sense, unless we add BYU. If we get one Big East school, than we should get all three (LU, UC, WVU) because it would make more geographical sense. In truth, I don't see BYU and Louisville in the same conference because of how far away they would be from each other. If MU bolts and we need 3 teams the Big East schools make the most sense. IMO

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142466

I agree that Boise shouldn't be invited unless BYU comes with them.

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statesupporter

I agree with this at some level. Had Bevo given in Sooner, pardon the pun, and we were then proactive in going to 14, we could have made a move for Utah and BYU to compliment Colorado and Nebraska. This move last year could have been easily achieved. I would like to see BYU. I don't think they will come now. Not much else out west to pick off. That is why this process was so important to get right a year ago. This is also why you can't blame Missouri for leaving.

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Jeff Coffman

"Top midwestern recruits would now have the opportunity to play in the SEC, while attending college in a primarily yankee state."

Affiliating Missouri with a yankee state is not acceptable. They were clearly on the wrong side of the fence.

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Sam Constance

That fact that one need qualify Missouri as "primarily" yankee, even though false, says everything you need to know about the state of Missouri.

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142466

I agree with you, in substance. But 150 years have now passed, and I believe that 18 year potential recruits will perceive Missouri to be less southern that those States that actually seceded. In the short-term, anyway.

Interesting question for the eggheads to ponder is whether Missouri's new association with the "land of cotton states" States would gradually convert Missouri into a neo-rebel state, too. Identify a person's close friends and you understand the person's values, etc. Two things regarding that: (1) College and Pro FB and BB allegiences are increasingly how people establish their self-identity. This old man has seen this growing trend over the last 60 years. (2) The few politcal scientists that I read say that Missouri is already gradually becoming less of a swing State and more of a red State, like the old confederate States.

I want to add that I do not intend to insult any of the plains States, also red, by associating them with the Confederate States. The plains States are red for other reasons. And with that I utter no more, lest I open another firecracker box.

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Hank Cross

Boise St. is an absolute improvement over anyone else that's available. Let's put it this way, which is going to draw bigger ratings - Boise/OU or LVille/OU?

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142466

I agree, if and only, BYU comes too. I'll add this, which dwellers in the Mountain States already know: the distance in miles between Provo and Boise seems vast to easterners and midwesterners, but not to Mountain State people because of low population densities and because Boise and SLC (I've always thought of Provo as a western style suberb of SLC) are 2 of the few relatively large Mountain cities.

Look westward, the direction that U.S.A. history has favored. Go for Boise and BYU. Football rules.

7 years, 8 months ago

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FTC_Jayhawk

I'm opposed to your characterization of Missouri as "a primarily yankee state."

It's just pretty offensive to yankees.

7 years, 8 months ago

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DallasJayhawk1

Just another report. Remember, just because you apply doesn't mean you have an invitation--you can ask UT and OU about that in regards to the Pac-12.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Al Salazar

Supposedly they now have the votes, they can apply after notice to withdraw from the Big XII. UT and OU never cleared that hurdle.

7 years, 8 months ago

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DallasJayhawk1

I can't imagine the SEC after all that Mizzou has done to make a mockery of themselves in this process are "all in" at this point to vote them. We will see. I really don't care either way--we can replace them. Would hate to kill the rivalry but oh well.

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Vernon Riggs

OU only has the votes if they apply with Texas. The PAC wanted the 28-30 million tv sets in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, Austin, Ft Worth, etc. Without Texas and the million of TV sets in Texas, OU and all of their great football tradition just didn't look as good. Then handcuff OSU to OU and the Sooners were even less attractive.

7 years, 8 months ago

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DallasJayhawk1

Scott didn't even take a proposal back to the Pac-12 schools after he talked to TX he said--he just listened to what UT had to say.

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pepper_bar

Actually, neither OU nor Texas ever had the votes to join the Pac 12. ASU, UofA, Utah, and Colorado were a strong opposition block, and several other schools were also against - the Cow Conference schools didn't even have a simple majority.

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Marcia Parsons

Speaking of Tait, Matt--please explain why you think there will be no future Big12 tournament games at the Sprint Center. I think it has been designated the location for the next two or three years and I have to believe they will continue to have the same good attendance they always enjoy during that time. It's a great place, and KU always has the most fans there anyway. Won't a good showing, even with MU possibly gone after next year, prove that they can still successfully host the tournament? Self loves to play there, so I'm sure he would push for the tournament and other non-con games we have played there. Is it that important that it's located across the border?

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texashawk10

It's not about whether or not the tournament can still draw a crowd with MU gone, it's about money and the Big 12 not wanting to put any money into the state of Missouri's pocket (some of which would find its way to MU). I don't know if the tournament would be at a fixed site in the future or if it would rotate between Dallas and OKC or possibly even Houston, San Antonio, or Tulsa getting in the mix to on a rotation, but KC would be out of the rotation.

No other major conference plays its tournament in a state located outside of its geographic footprint. The ACC is usually in Greensboro, NC and occasionally in Atlanta, Charlotte, and DC. The Big East tournament is always at MSG in New York. The Big 10 tournament rotates between Chicago and Indianapolis, the PAC 12 tournament is in LA, and the SEC tournament is most commonly played in Atlanta, but is now on rotation between Atlanta, Nashville, and New Orleans.

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blindrabbit

142466" Ditto your thoughts! I can't imagine a hook-up with West Virginia, although many posters here seem to have a love affair with that possibility. The school is geographically and culturally in a different world from the Midwest. Cincy and Louisville are urban Eastern style schools that have little in common with present members of the conference. I guess you could say that about BYU and Boise, but I think they would be a better long term choice.

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lama

KU absolutely should end the rivalry if MU bolts, as Self and others have suggested.

7 years, 8 months ago

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iluvdbskxjayhawks

agree. just like Texas and other Big 12 schools giving A&M the middle finger when they wanted to schedule football games.

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Jim Jackson

Not sure why Mizzou people are scared of UT, OU etc leaving in 6 years, nothing is even near set, obviously, and OSU and Tech were clearly denied for their lack of AAU status and that (AAU status) won't change. Additionally, those MU clowns will face an uphill battle recruiting Texas.Good luck to them if they think they will start to make recrutiing in roads in FL.

In regards to Texas running the league, of course they do and always will. OU and UT will continue to get the 5 stars while the rest of us hope for the best of the rest.

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ejlumus

Alabama & Florida run the SEC ..... fryin' pan to the fire!!!!!! LOL

Hurry and jump mizzery just GTFO.

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actorman

I'd say LSU might have something to say about it too.

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Eric Harrison

LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Florida who ever you want to insert here dont' run the SEC no matter hos dominant the football team/program.
Texas 'runs' the Big12 because they have lapdogs who jump when commanded.
Ohio State, USC (even OU in UTs own conference) have dominated their conferences WAY more than UT or any SEC school the past decade. None of them are 'running the conference' like UT is.

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lama

Nice leadership by KCMO on this one. They build a beautiful new arena and will soon have nothing to put in it.

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dkelman32

I love to find fault with the KC government as often as possible, but there is no logical argument to be made by which they can be faulted with this current situation. This particularly pertains to the MU situation. If you want to fault them for the fact that we don't have a pro team there, that is a whole different argument in which AEG takes a considerable portion of the blame. Even taking all of that into consideration you are obviously completely oblivious to the fact that the sprint center is actually one of the top 5 busiest arenas in the country and is paying for itself easily and bringing in tertiary benefit to the surrounding areas like the power and light district. It even makes enough to pay most of Kemper Arena's bills, which are many. Point being, shut your hole unless you know what the hell you're talking about.

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Hank Cross

MU needs to make a decision now. The BE is upping its exit fees which may lock in LVille and WVa and may poach Bosie and AFA.

7 years, 8 months ago

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texashawk10

The exit fees are going up to $10 million, not exactly enough to deter a team if they really want to leave the conference.

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ejlumus

When mizzery leaves the dominos will begin to fall. Arkansas is still in play and the A&M money $15M would be used to persuade Arkansas to return. Arkansas is the 7 or 8 best team in the SEC, in the Big 12 they would be 3,4 or 5 and the ability to recruit Texas
again.

SEC would then have 13 teams again and would need to request an exemption for the conference championship game or recruit another school. By Arkansas leaving SEC, Big 12 would have a direct hit on their "prestige" and cause a scheduling nightmare. Key alum Jerry Jones would be a happy man and Jerry dome would be availalbe for quite a few Big 12 games.

If Arkansas returns Nortre Dame and BYU would come into play for the 11th and 12th spots. Notre Dame will need to make a move in realignment or they will become Fordham University or St Mary of the Plains to the next generation.

Penn State could move to the ACC and renew rivalries with Pitt and Syracuse then Notre Dame possibly to the Big 10.

KU will also beat KSU ...... sometime in the future. RCJHK.

all could happen.........

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statesupporter

Arkansas and Missouri have mutual boosters in the Walton fortune. They will stay joined at the hip strategically. I feel that Mizzou feels that Arkansas is a replacement rival for the lost KU matchup. They are not in play. Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville could be available you are dreaming big. How happy are these fan bases that their conference expanded with football powerhouses Pitt and Cuse? The Big 12 with those schools would be a better football conference than the SEC. Think how even these traditions are:
OU - Alabama
Texas - LSU
Florida St. - Florida
Miami - Tennessee
Virginia Tech - Auburn
OSU - Georgia
West Virginia - Arkansas
TT- A&M
KSU-Missouri
Louisville - Mississippi
KU-Kentucky
TCU - South Carolina
Baylor - Mississippi State
Iowa State - Vandy

I think our top traditions would be even, our mid would be a bit under, but our final tier would be stronger. And basketball would be better, making a better overall conference. Don't hurry and dream big. The Big 12 has all of the traditions that make the SEC want to expand and add of all people, Missouri.

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ejlumus

I maybe wrong, but last I read, Arkansas was a no vote for mizzery.

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DanHogan95

You imply here that Mizzou is the party that has been slowing down this process. Do we know that it isn't the acceptance process (well, technically, the invitation or whatever order they do this in) on the SEC's side? From the rumors that I've been reading, there have been numerous, or perhaps ongoing, informal votes within the SEC that have been going on. It seems Slive has been getting his presidents in line and in agreement over this time - not necessarily uncertainty on the side of Mizzou.

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Vernon Riggs

I have heard that 'Bama, LSU, Tennessee, Arkansas are NO's if Mizzou is in the West. And, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida and Arkansas (again) if Mizzou is the East. Clemson is the new front runner. The SEC is trying to work with South Carolina not to veto the other 'Tigers'. Clemson will have a fit at the end of their football season with an undefeated season but with a weak RPI so low because of the rest of the ACC teams they will be rated behind 1 loss teams from the Big12 and SEC.

How much of what you hear and read is true, who knows?

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Eric Williams

Hahahaha. Mizzou is courting the SEC and the SEC is playing them against ACC teams.

Reminds me of...what was that year?

Oh yeah, 2010 when Mizzou courted the Big Ten and the Big Ten played that against Nebraska.

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Andrew Washington

I hate mizzou, but if they leave then one of the most intense and historic rivalries in sports likely goes down the drain. duke vs north carolina is pretty good and so is USC vs Notre Dame, but nothing matches the hate of KU vs mizzou!

7 years, 8 months ago

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Eric Williams

auburn - alabama is pretty nasty having lived in alabama.

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Vernon Riggs

This is all based on Mizzou being invited to the SEC which I do not believe is the case. They won't come in on West because that will force Auburn to the East and take away the 'Bama vs Tennessee game which will not make 'Bama happy. 'Bama, Tennessee and LSU vote NO. Mizzou won't be allowed to come into the East because that will force Florida, Georgia and South Carolina to travel to Mizzou each year. It doesn't make sense. The East teams vote NO.

Clemson is being invited to the SEC East. Mizzou doesn't have enough votes

Mizzou stays in the Big12. Thier demand is that league adds two more teams (BYU and Boise State), Tier 1 and 2 gets lock up for a longest possible timeframe and that Bowl Game go to the highest ranked team. They still sting from the Orange Bowl game.

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Jeff Coffman

I've always said that MU would leave. I'm just afraid the SEC will go after two more teams.

I'd just be curious if the Intrust arena in Wichita is big enough for the tournament?
It is in Kansas and Kansas would favor that. OSU is the closest university to Wichita. It is close to KSU and OU it is only 2 hours away. So 4 teams really close. ISU would be closer to Wichita than to Dallas. So I guess the Texas schools might veto it. I would also imagine game played at the OKC Arena (former Ford) where the Thunder play.

I do think that KU might actually move their games from Sprint to Intrust, just because they don't want anything to do with MU (but again who does?).

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Vernon Riggs

With the Big12 Tourny, you need two venue: one for the women and one for the men. Kansas City has Memorial and Sprint. OKC has Ford and Cox. I think the year that they played in Dallas, it was American Airlines and Reunion. Intrust is downtown. It seats 15-16k for basketball. It would be a great host for the Men's Tourny. But, the next closest arena would be Koch Arena on the WSU campus. The distance between the two venues would not be easy to attend both the Men's and Women's games. The only other arena is Century II and the basketball configuration sucks. Newman University (a Division 3 school) used to play there. Seating there would be 2 or 3 thousand at most and is far from a first class basketball experience. Tulsa has BOK and the old downtown arena that used to host Tulsa games.

But for Kansas games, Intrust would be a great home away from home instead of Sprint.

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jayhawkfirst

Wichita is probably not a big enough city to host the Big 12 tournament. But distance between Intrust and Koch has nothing to do with it. It's maybe 6 or 7 miles at most.

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142466

Wichita will never host the Big12 mens tournament. Wichita does not project a major league image. No Big12 school in Wichita. Those 2 things, together, disqualify it. It would be comparable to Fresno hosting the PAC tourney.

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texashawk10

Not a chance of it being in Wichita because as lonestar pointed out, Wichita doesn't have the second arena for the women's tournament. He already noted the facilities of Dallas and OKC which have both hosted the tournament in years past. The men's tournament in Tulsa would be at BOK and the women's tournament would be at Reynolds Center where the Golden Hurricane play. Two other options to host the Big 12 tournament would Houston and San Antonio. There would be multiple options for the setup of the tournament in either city. In Houston, the Toyota Center would be the only option for the men's tournament as the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is in March and uses all of the facilities at Reliant Park which rules out any of those facilities as an option for the men or women. As for the women's tournament, there are plenty of options such as Hofheinz Pavillion (UH), Tudor Fieldhouse (Rice) or there are several high school district arenas that are larger and nicer than Municipal Auditorium. For those of you that think I'm forgetting the Rockets old arena, I'm not as it has since bought and renovated into Lakewood Church (for anyone who scrolls through the channel listings and sees Joel Osteen on the guide Sunday mornings, Lakewood is his church). In San Antonio, you have the AT&T Center or Alamodome for the men's tournament and Freeman Coliseum next to the AT&T Center or the Convocation Center on the UTSA campus for the women's tournament or the AT&T Center if the men play at the Alamodome.

I'm not saying that the Big 12 tournament will end up in either city ever (although I personally wouldn't mind seeing Houston host), but there are options in these two cities as well should the Big 12 choose to rotate the tournament like the SEC and ACC do.

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texashawk10

Here's a crazy theory about why the grant of rights deal is basically through the end of the ESPN contract. Maybe ESPN wants to see how well the LHN does during this time and if it hasn't gained enough traction to make ESPN a significant profit in the long run when the negotiations for the first tier contract begin in a couple of years, then maybe ESPN will look to convert the LHN into a Big 12 network and negotiate the third tier contract for the Big 12 at the same time as the first tier deal. It might be a crazy theory, but there is also speculation that ESPN is trying to sabotage the Big East as payback for when the Big East rejected ESPN's contract extension offer last year in order to try and get a bigger deal from either Fox or NBC.

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DallasJayhawk1

That's my thinking as well----ESPN will roll it up to be a Big 12 network at some point.

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iluvdbskxjayhawks

I wish to God that they will do that. I will support Big 12 network not Longhorns

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Spencer Goff

Can they just quit talking about it and get the hell out already?

I feel like everytime they need reassurance of how "awesome" their school is, a press release comes out saying, "We're serious! We're doing it! We're leaving, trust us, this time it is for real!"

Please, just finally jump off the ledge so the people on the street below can at least get some entertainment. Honestly, I am tired of hearing you scream.

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Kristen Downing

In case you were worried Louisville fans don't want to be invited.
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/10/...

7 years, 8 months ago

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Jayhawk1116

JUST GO ALREADY!!! Son of God, I'm tired of Mizzou pining for attention.

7 years, 8 months ago

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Jayhawk1116

Okay, how do you people get all caps on your posts? When I'm mad I want to yell, and I need to do it in all caps.

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iluvdbskxjayhawks

don't we all?

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ejlumus

mizzery contribution to the sec

http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/ma...

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Jayhawk1116

Awesome. Looks like they've got a natural rival in Tennessee.

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jgkojak

Boise State is NOT coming to the B12(!!!!)

Academically, they rate lower than Oral Roberts. I promise you Boise is not even under discussion.

You want to add TVs and either athletic or academic prowess?

1) BYU- obvious
2) Tulane - AAU school in New Orleans, size of Duke or Vanderbilt
3) San Diego State - begging to be in B12

All 3 better choices than Boise

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texashawk10

Hell no on Tulane, I saw a few minutes of their UTEP game on Saturday and I've been to high school games with bigger crowds than that. The listed attendance is 16000, but that's tickets sold and not people in the stands which couldn't have more than a couple of thousand people. The Big 12 has never been an academically oriented conference and academics are going to play little to no role in future expansion of the Big 12.

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DallasJayhawk1

Tulane supposedly was one of the 6 or so schools that is to get an offer from The Big East--if they don't take that they are risking being left out of a major conference. And they don't offer any TV sets.

San Diego State--I don't know see how it makes sense for them if they don't have a couple other schools in their region to play. Logistical nightmare.

I think all 3 of these Boise, Tulane and SDSU aren't even in discussion. Maybe as schools to fill out a 16 team super conference.

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142466

BYU yes. obvious

Tulane - Out. Never have succeeded in BB or FB. Never will, because they're academically selective, in SEC territory.

San Diego - Out. Geographically. Too far from all the other member schools.

Boise - should be invited, if and only if BYU enters also. If both enter, the geography is acceptable. Realignment is overwhelmingly football oriented. Boise is already FB strong. Bring them in. Watch them beat OU & UT. Nice.
Big 12 can afford to have one "relatively" weak academic member. Establish measurable academic goals for them to gradually achieve, as a condition for entrance.

Today it looks like BYU isn't coming. That's too bad. Fluid situation, though. Maybe they still can be pursuaded . I'm not a latter day saint; that's not my motivation. Big12 --please continue to work on BYU, even if we go to 12 without them. Shoot for 16.

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AZHawk72

I believe the New York Times report that Missouri is gone. Good riddance. Now, can we please stop trading one-for-one. Lets get Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia--if one balks, try BYU. And letting SMU and Houston slip away to the Big Least is stupid--they want to be here, and we want a solid regional conference that isn't overextended with long flights and horribly expensive basketball trips.

This is an expansion period--those who sit, lose. You don't get a make-good for doing nothing. When the Big Least wrinkled its brow, we should have reached for an iron to smooth out some deals.

We need to be at 12 by next Monday or this league will wobble off to obscurity.

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AZHawk72

I believe the New York Times report that Missouri is gone. Good riddance. Now, can we please stop trading one-for-one. Lets get Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia--if one balks, try BYU. And letting SMU and Houston slip away to the Big Least is stupid--they want to be here, and we want a solid regional conference that isn't overextended with long flights and horribly expensive basketball trips.

This is an expansion period--those who sit, lose. You don't get a make-good for doing nothing. When the Big Least wrinkled its brow, we should have reached for an iron to smooth out some deals.

We need to be at 12 by next Monday or this league will wobble off to obscurity.

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AZHawk72

I believe the New York Times report that Missouri is gone. Good riddance. Now, can we please stop trading one-for-one. Lets get Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia--if one balks, try BYU. And letting SMU and Houston slip away to the Big Least is stupid--they want to be here, and we want a solid regional conference that isn't overextended with long flights and horribly expensive basketball trips.

This is an expansion period--those who sit, lose. You don't get a make-good for doing nothing. When the Big Least wrinkled its brow, we should have reached for an iron to smooth out some deals.

We need to be at 12 by next Monday or this league will wobble off to obscurity.

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142466

Houston and/or SMU would be possible invitees if their entrance gets us to 15 or 16, but not to 12 ,or even to 14.

Totally agree with your basic premise "this an expansion period--those who sit lose". Let's hope that the Commissioneer and current member schools finally understand that central fact. Do they? So far, I'm not optimistic.

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Jonathan Allison

I hate mizzou

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jchief40

F Mizzou

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LJD230

Missouri will bolt!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/spo...

Conference USA and Mountain West will merge.

.http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/mountain-west-usa-plan-football-merger-14741693

For the once upon a time Big XII the elephant in the room is the Big East. Be fun watching the two very wounded conferences in their attempts to woo Boise, BYU and Air Force.

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Douglas Creelman

Sorry I have not read all the postings, but one thing I find very interesting in the MU to SEC is this; MU is being viewed as pulling 2 media markets with them to the SEC, STL and KC. I cannot see how the SEC, and MU, are foolish enough to think they will bring the KC market to the SEC. KC doesn't care about SEC sports. I lived in KC for 7 years and I can never see it being a market for the SEC. Maybe I'm the foolish one, but I still see the only reason MU goes to the SEC is so they can have more money then they get in the B12.

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LSHawk

Your right, KC will NEVER care about the SEC, even moreso if MU is in it. KC is a big 12 town and always will be. Missery leaving will help KU's recruiting and MU will become the KU of the SEC and KU will become the MU of the Big 12 in football.

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FreddyinLA

Houston should be next on the B12's list. 6th largest metro area by population. Currently undefeated and in the top 20 in the BCS polls.

No brainer here. Opens up another Texas pipeline for KU. Has produced some good Bball players lately.

PhiSlammaJamma this one.

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142466

BYU, Boise, and Air Force for #s 10, 11, & 12.
Houston is eligible for the road to 16.
Go for 16 now. The other surviving BCS conferences are going to 16 soon. Of the survining BCS leagues, B12 has the fewest geographical compatible candidates. We must grab them before they go elsewhere.
In the public's eye (that's what counts in this big business venue) BCS affiliations are solely about sports. In choosing new members don't focus on academics. Set basic minimum academic standards that all members must meet and go to16. Academic issues and achievements are best left to each member school to deal with.

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FLJHK

I don't agree. All of the prominent schools that have switched conferences in the past couple of years have strong academics - Colorado, Nebraska, Syracuse, Pitt, A&M, and now prospectively MU. I'm not saying it's the primary factor by any means, but it is certainly a part of the equation.

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142466

True. Academics has been a significant factor in the moves so far.

Looks to me, though, that Mizzou's departure will open the floodgates. A furious competition among the surviving BCS conferences to get to 16 will soon commence. There are a limited number of geographically compatible candidates for the Big 12. WVU, Cincy, and Loui geographically fit in several Conferences. Competition for them will be keen. On top of that the Mountain Time Zone schools and the lesser Tex schools are already being pursued by eastern leagues.

Academically, entrants to the B12 (16) must be decent and in good standing. For example, in my opinion Houston qualifies academically, to get to 14 or 16. To get to 12, maybe not.

My point is that if the Big12, which is not that strong academically anyway, erects academic barriers that the Big East, Conference USA, and Mountain West are not erecting then the Big12 will be the big 2 and the little 9. It will not survive beyond 6 years,at most. The Conference will have foolishly inserted academic purity into the arena of the big business entertainment industry. That's what college BB and FB primarily are; segments of the entertainment industry.

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142466

I meant to say "the big 2 and the little 7"

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Jayhawk1116

ESPN SEC KU KC

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Jayhawk1116

Okay, do I need a secret decoder ring to use capital letters or what?

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dkelman32

Consider this the official start of a new campaign. I say, if the MU decides that they don't care enough about their in state brethren here in KC to stay in the Big12 and keep the BBall tourney with all of its revenue here, then Kansas should team up with all of the pro-business folks and instead of poaching businesses from across the state line one by one we should come together and tempt the entire city to seceded from Missouri with the something like the greatest TIFF plan in history. KC would no longer need to be the red headed stepchild of MO state politics. It could be the jewel in the up and coming state of Kansas. The state population would swell by at least an additional million and the revenue to the state coffers would make even Sam Brownback happy. He could gain revenue without increasing taxes on the original Kansans and the KCMO residents are so used to the shortcomings of local services that they might not notice if he didn't fund them. :) This is a great idea and you should all join my cause. Who's with me?! LET'S STEAL KANSAS CITY!!!!

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LJD230

There AIN'T NO MORE schools worth two cents to configue a league of 10.

The Conference USA and Mountain West merger will, for the most part, stick. The Big East will add four teams for football only:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...

There ain't gonna be no Boise, BYU, Houston or USAF!!!

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Eric Harrison

LJD, riddle me this.
If you are WVU you jump at the SEC if they came calling.
If you were Rutgers will jump at either the Big10 or ACC if they come calling.
UConn has essentially begged to join Pitt and Cuse in the ACC.
If you were Boise, BYU, Houston or SMU you would all prefer the Big12 due to proximity and would leave the BEast ala TCU at a moment's notice.

Plus how strong is the MWC-CUSA jiont venture w/o Boise, AFA, Houston, SMU and UCF (those are arguably the 5 best football schools those conferences)?

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Eric Harrison

Assuming Mizzou is gone (I'd be bummed), we're at 9.
WVU, Cincy, Louisville make us at 12. Boise and BYU make us at 14. Air Force and Notre Dame make 16. The first super conference (we even own the name Big 16 I believe).
East-West divisions:
West: BYU, AFA, Boise St, Texas Tech, UT, OU, Baylor
East: Louisville, Cincy, Notre Dame, WVU, Iowa State, Kansas, KState, Oklahoma State, TCU

North.South doesn't work as well:
North: Notre Dame, Iowa State, BYU, Boise State, Cincy, WVU, KState, Kansas
South: UT, TCU, OU, Baylor, TTech, OkState, Louisville, AFA
(it's somewhat equal but lots of travel in this scenario)

Or Pods:
East: Louisville, Cincy, Notre Dame, WVU
West: Boise, BYU, AFA, Texas Tech
North:Kansas, KState, Iowa State, Oklahoma State
South: Baylor, UT, TCU, Oklahoma
not as evenly divided with the North sucking

Sure Notre Dame is a pipe-dream. If ND isn't interested I'm not sure where you go to get to 16: Houston, SMU, UNM, Memphis, Colorado State, Tulane.

Just a dream scenario, I'd also wouldn't mind adding Boise, BYU, WVU, Louis, Cincy and AFA while keeping Mizzou to get to 16.

I felt like I had some sense of what might happen last year and with A&M but this Mizzou one is so up in the air I feel like, as are the 'replacement next steps'.

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Eric Harrison

Didn't count so good.
East-West:
West: byu, afa, Boise St, Texas Tech, UT, OU, Baylor, Kansas State
East: Louisville, Cincy, Notre Dame, WVU, Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU

(west is a little weak), but I'd imagine it would be pods at 16

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Michael Auchard

That picture is hilarious! What caps it off is the awesome white trash tiger sweatshirt the woman's wearing. Typical garb for cooking up meth in a trailer. Awesome shot.

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funkitect

so, a new report came out that the big east just voted to hike their exit fee to $10m. does this screw us out of WVU, Louisville and/or Cincy?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...

or, since Mizzou was jacking us around this whole time, can we take those teams and make MU shoulder the fines? HA! I like that option. F Mizzou!

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