Blaming Charlie Weis no longer appropriate

Kansas receiver Joshua Stanford (6) pulls in an end zone pass over teammate Kansas wide receiver Chase Harrell (3) during warmups prior to kickoff against Rutgers on Saturday, Sept. 26, 2015 at High Point Solutions Stadium in Piscataway, New Jersey.

Kansas receiver Joshua Stanford (6) pulls in an end zone pass over teammate Kansas wide receiver Chase Harrell (3) during warmups prior to kickoff against Rutgers on Saturday, Sept. 26, 2015 at High Point Solutions Stadium in Piscataway, New Jersey. by Nick Krug

Kansas stopped paying Charlie Weis at the end of 2016. Now it’s time to stop blaming him.

No doubt, David Beaty inherited a skeletal scholarship situation from Weis, but the former Texas A&M assistant coach is heading into his fourth season. He had plenty of time to get up to full speed and isn’t in part because he lost so many transfers.

As it is, Beaty will have an estimated 75 players who spent every season at KU on scholarship, 10 short of the maximum allowed and about four short of what most schools carry at any given time. Injuries and last-minute transfers keep teams below the maximum.

Any coaching change comes with inevitable transfers, so on that front you can’t put the blame on Beaty for losing Weis recruits such as Montell Cozart, Darious Crawley, Aaron Garza, Colton Goeas, Kyron Watson and D.J. Williams.

Beaty also lost 14 of his own recruits: Shola Ayinde, LaQuvionte Gonzalez, Chase Harrell, Travis Jordan, Maciah Long, Quincy Perdue, Ian Peterson, Stephan Robinson, Joshua Stanford, Tyriek Starks, Jace Sternberger, Justin Williams and Ryan Willis.

The reasons for the departures range from behavior issues to playing time to lacking the talent to play at the FBS level.

The house Beaty inherited had a cracked foundation. Nobody disputes that. He’s had time to repair it, and a daunting 2018 schedule awaits. Nobody is buying the blame-Charlie approach any longer. It has evolved from legitimate explanation to an excuse. Time to move on.

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John Fitzgerald

Yup, nailed it again Keegs! The Weis era is over. Time to stop living in the past and see what's right in front of us. It's just sad guys like Matt Baty would rather put the blame on fans and past coaches than the administration.

I'm sending him this letter--or maybe as an email instead--but either way it's going to get to him. I don't care if he doesn't read it. Heck I may even include Zenger and Girod in the email too.

https://hawkjock.com/2018/05/04/dear-...

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Thank you, Tom. Correct. No team is ever at exactly 85 scholarships. Players transfer from every P5 program and we received a couple from U of Alabama ourselves.

Time for excuses were over after the Texas victory of 2016 but here we are in 2018. Somehow we were able to beat Texas yet can't win any games against FBS opponents since.

It's coaching. Period. U of Ohio with its 75-year old HC Frank Solich and HS-level facilities would beat a Beaty-coached team 40 out of 40 times in any venue.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Kevin Robert Fest

Unleash the Bryson fury!!!!!

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Kevin Robert Fest

You really stepped in it this time Tom. Better start looking for other employment. Lol.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Kevin Robert Fest

On this note article came out today that Alabama currently has only 10 recruits left from their 24 recruit class of 2015. Seems like there are no excuses for anyone. Big or small strong or weak every program has their issues to deal with.

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Kevin Robert Fest

*CORRECTION Alabama has had 10 players from that No.1 ranked class leave already.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-foo...

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Steve Corder

Thanks for the post.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Dane Pratt

They would have 15 were it not for the 5 juniors who bolted to the NFL.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Matthew James Roberson

Dr. Zenger loves this talk track as well. Somehow he continues to conveniently forget that he's the one that hired Coach Weis and allowed him to run the roster into the ground.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Pius Waldman

We all surely agree that Weis didn't do well. But at the time he was hired his background coaching pros and Florida stood out. After Gill getting an experienced coach made sense. But results didn't show that.

3 months, 1 week ago

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Brian Skelly

Forget blaming Weis. The man that needs to be blamed is Zenger. How in the #@$% does he got off scot-free the way he does? Because a handful of donors like him? You mean they are going to stop donating for the new AD? Who in the @#%% believes that?
The problem goes well higher than the football coach. Ignoring that is KU's biggest problem.
The apathy towards our athletic department is killing us.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Dale Rogers

I agree with most of the article but wonder how much different the scholarship situation would be today had our local media not been in 'fire beaty' mode so much that he had to try to put quick fix bandaids in place. Back off and give the guy the full five years before pronouncing a verdict. I doubt any of us would have reacted differently to that kind of pressure. Show wins now or lose your job...

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Joe Norgay

He doesn’t need the full 5 years. That is just an arbitrary number they created to sell to people in justification to still have a job.

Yes, they need 3 or even 4 years to get out of the scholarship hole (that Zenger himself created) but it’s clear to even the most simple football mind that the progress that could be made in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd years hasn’t been made under Beaty. We statistically and to the eye took slides in areas last year.. in year THREE of a coaches tenure. It should not take 5 damn years to get more than 2 wins a season.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Ray Winger

Hey, any relation to Tinseng Norgay???

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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John Brazelton

Tom, I admire your ingenuity in coming up with angles to write about the KU football program. You no longer have to write the negative articles yourself, you just let the disgruntled KU fans do if for you. Once again, every year is a different season. How about letting the players and coaches finish the season first before we all trash the program.

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Andy Godwin

Agreed. But I am sure Tom spent at least 45 minutes to provide his 248 word diatribe. Journalism at it best.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Jerry Ryan

Tom & his songbirds.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Jack Hoff

Not only do we need to move on from Weis we need to move on from Mangino. He ain't coming back, period. You can tell when Keegs gets riled up though. Quite funny actually... he'll spit out about 6 articles in a row on the most random KU football topics.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

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Howell Johnson

Can the "daunting schedule" be used as an excuse?

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Brad Avery

When I think of the excuses made for the football program, I recall the recruiting challenges Roy Williams faced when he took over from Larry Brown and the then sanctioned basketball program. As you may recall, Uncle Roy, took his team to the NCAA tournament his second year and to the national championship game his third year despite the recruiting sanctions described below. I am not sure the link will work so here is the cut and paste.

The Salina Journal Sports Wednesday, May 17,1989 15 Williams: NCAA sanctions hurt KU's recruiting By JIM THOMAS St. Louis Post-Dispatch Roy Williams has an open door this recruiting season. If you're in the neighborhood, drop in. The University of Kansas is still paying for Larry Brown's sins. And because of National Collegiate Athletic Association sanctions against the Jayhawks' basketball program, about the only thing Williams can do this spring is send postcards. Wish you were here. As part of KU's NCAA probation, which Williams inherited when he succeeded Brown, recruits had to pay their own way if they visited the campus after Dec. 31. Nonetheless, Williams' goal was to have 12 recruits visit after that date. Only three did so. "Just to give you an example," Williams said, "if a kid flies into Kansas City airport — and we did have one kid do it—he's got to take a limo (taxi) to Lawrence. We can't even pick him up at the airport. "When he gets here, he has to pay for his own hotel room; has to pay for all of his meals. We had one kid that came up on his own, so on Sunday morning before he left, I take him to McDonald's to eat because he's going to have to pay for it. "Next weekend, he goes to another school and they set up a big brunch for him on Sunday — fantastic food and the whole bit. Not anything against McDonald's, but the Egg McMuffin he was able to buy at our place was not quite as impressive as the brunch that was set up at the other place." Despite the sanctions, the Jay- hawks landed three players — all from junior colleges — during the spring recruiting season. They are Byron Daye, a 6-foot-3 guard from "We're satisfied, but I can name a lot of other kids I'd like to have, too, that we're going to have to play against In this league." —Roy Williams Chabot College in Hayward, Calif.; Kirk Wagner, a 6-8 forward from Pasadena (Calif.) City College; and Terry Brown, a 6-2 guard from Northeastern Oklahoma A&M, which won the National Junior College Athletic Association championship. On paper, it looks as if the Jayhawks did OK this spring, all things considered.

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Robert Brock

It’s a lot on Zenger...and now it is starting to slip over onto Girod.

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Joe Ross

Spot on, Tom!!!

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Aaron Paisley

A full recruiting cycle is 5 years. If Beaty is going to end up around 75 scholarship players when August rolls around, then he's at least on pace to have a full cupboard going into year 5 which is what should happen.

You can fault Beaty for a lot of things, but taking 5 years to get the scholarship numbers to normal isn't one of them. Even if Beaty was winning more than he has, it still would've taken 5 years to restore scholarship numbers to normal because of the limitations on recruiting numbers.

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Len Shaffer

Yeah sure, and having half of this year's recruits be from Jucos is certainly going to help ...

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Aaron Paisley

This is also the first class where the JuCo numbers are way beyond what they should be for a place like KU. Keegan trying to paint Beaty's first class of 16 HS and 8 JuCo players is a load of crap. Because of the lack of local talent, KU needs to utilize the JuCo system more than other programs in HS talent rich states and a 2:1 ratio is at the upper limits of where KU should go to. A 3:1 ratio would be more ideal, but 2:1 is manageable.

This sets KU back a year in 2020, but Beaty will likely be gone then and the next coach isn't going to need 5 years to get scholarship numbers back to normal levels.

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Marius Rowlanski

Good point but you do what's needed to find some players who can play from the start and build your roster.

3 months, 1 week ago

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Marius Rowlanski

I'm not disagreeing but I didn't realize that many were still blaming Weis for the current team failures.

Zenger Yes

Beaty Yes

Weis Not so much.

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