Texas prep pipeline runs dry for Kansas football

Texas head football coach Tom Herman takes a seat before speaking to reporters during the Big 12 NCAA college football media day in Frisco, Texas, Tuesday, July 18, 2017.

Texas head football coach Tom Herman takes a seat before speaking to reporters during the Big 12 NCAA college football media day in Frisco, Texas, Tuesday, July 18, 2017.

The SEC’s encroachment on the Big 12's chief football recruiting turf, namely Texas high schools, has been slowed down and the Big 12 has the Texas hiring of Tom Herman to thank for that.

Herman landed the top six prospects from Texas high schools, according to Rivals’ ranking of the state’s top 100. The Longhorns landed 14 of the top 65 prospects in the state.

Texas A&M, under new head coach Jimbo Fisher, easily did second-best with Texas preps, landing four in the top 20 and 12 in the top 100, so the SEC still has a strong foothold.

In all, 31 different schools recruited a top 100 Texan. The four Texas and two Oklahoma Big 12 members did well in the state, but the other four didn’t land a top 100 Texas prep.

David Beaty brought with him to Kansas a reputation as a strong recruiter in his native state, but a 3-33 record has damaged his ability to sign high school recruits. KU did land one Texas prep player, two-star offensive lineman Jacobi Lott.

In Beaty's first two recruiting classes combined, KU signed 21 Texas high school players. The two most recent classes combined have had just four: Lott, linebacker Kyron Johnson, running back Dom Williams and receiver Quan Hampton.

The following chart looks at how schools did with the top 100 Texas recruits on the opening day of the early signing period, based on a point system that awards one point for the No. 100 recruit, two points for No. 99, etc., all the way to 100 points for the No. 1 Texas recruit, cornerback Anthony Cook of Houston Lamar High.

School
Top 100
Texas recruits
Total points
1 - Texas
14 1,104
2 - Texas A&M
12 708
3 - Oklahoma
5 293
4 - Baylor
8
282
5 - LSU
3
204
6 - TCU
5 186
7 - Texas Tech
4 168
8 - Missouri
4 189
9 - Michigan
2 130
10 - Oklahoma State
5
116
11 - Penn State
2 102
12 - Vanderbilt
1 91
13 - Washington State
1 75
14 - Wisconsin
2 68
15 - Arkansas
1 64
16 - Oregon
1
62
17 - Mississippi State
1 54
18 - Ohio State
1 49
19 - Alabama
1 47
20 - UL-Monroe
1 46
21 - Houston
1
45
22 - Arizona
1
37
23 - Duke
1 31
24 - Stanford
1 16
25 - SMU
1 15
26 - Illinois
1 13
27 (tie) - Syracuse
2
11
27 (tie) - Rice
1 11
29 - Navy
1 6
30 - Boston College
1
4
31 - Arizona State
1 3

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Kevin Robert Fest

Well lm sure that there is going to be a lot of criticism with another negative Tom Herman article that's true to the fact that Beaty's losing record is certainly effecting his Texas recruiting which opens up the fact that he has to get Jucos to fill those spots. Line up Beaty sycophants and take offense to this article and try to defend this. All of these articles are true but yet you can't face the reality that Beaty is a substandard coach, recruiter and overall leader of the football program. You can't get Texas recruits to come to Kansas what makes you think any of those the Louisiana recruits (except for Harris)would want to come or any of the other kids who decommitted. I'm sorry I'm sure David is a nice guy he's just proven to not be a head coach and shouldn't be any longer after next year if the three previous years have not proven so far we will all see that a change is needed after another dismal season.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

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Mike Hart

Beaty can't recruit. Hmm... ok. He has one 2 star, all 3 star... and one 4 star recruits coming in. Show me one coach at KU that has recruited an average 3 star recruiting class outside of Beaty for 2018. You won't find one. If so, name him... feel free to list the names, Keegan.

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Kevin Robert Fest

How many wins does he have Mike? 3 in 3 years and that Twxas win was a gift with their 6 turnovers, this means we've lost to Ohio and Central Michigan and all of the other big 12 games weren't even close most of them were blowouts by double digits by halftime. If he does get the recruits he doesn't do anything with him that Texas win got him another year and last season was a complete waste and once again a majority of the games won't even close including Ohio & CM.

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Mike Hart

This is 2018 recruiting, Kevin.. which was the topic at hand.. that Beaty can't recruit Texas therefore he can't recruit. The article is about his lack of recruiting Texas in 2018 and going juco route... and my contention is that despite all the losing, this year's class is pretty decent especially compared to what his predecessors were able to accomplish. So look at the team he has put on the field in 2017: Look how many "starters" are sophomores.. juniors... all of whom are back. Throw in what is now his best recruiting class, despite the circumstances... and the numbers are building. You can't criticize 2018 recruiting based on team won-loss record prior to 2018. Past performance has nothing to do with what the incoming kids talent levels are.. .and the contributions they can make in 2018 and beyond.

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Len Shaffer

Based on Beaty's track record, he could have all 5-star recruits and it wouldn't matter. And as for the returning sophomores and juniors, that's also irrelevant, as Beaty hasn't been developing them.

I'll be SHOCKED If KU wins more than one game in 2018. I'm sure that Beaty's sycophants will attack me as being anti-KU, but I would LOVE to be proven wrong; I just won't be.

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Jeff Coffman

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/fo...

Mike you keep typing things, but not supporting them. You have been critical of many things I've typed, but you keep not supporting things you type. I didn't do much research, but 2014, had 4 four stars, 19 three stars for 23 recruits that year. It had 2 transfers and 8 JUCOs. So fast forward to this year, and we have 14 recruits, 9 JUCOs, 1 Transfer, and 4 HS (so far). In 2014, we averaged above a 3 star contrary to your notion. Our issue isn't if Beaty can or cannot get a recruit. Our issue is if he gets the recruits he has consistently not been successful in converting these players into ones that fit his scheme in offense and defense, and eventually to wins.

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John Fitzgerald

I know I've been a "Beaty Hater" on here as of late and have stated my displeasure with the program over and over again, but I think it's time I shift gears and play the wait and see approach. I want Beaty to succeed as much as anyone and I want him to make a big leap forward next year, He has done a decent job at recruiting, but not great. He has not done a good job at developing the recruits though. If he can improve on that, who knows.

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Kevin Robert Fest

I hear you John but we were fed all of this optimism last year after last year's recruiting class and you could tell by the Ohio and Central Michigan games that this team had not progressed and by the end of this season with double-digit blowouts and most of the games and embarrassing losses and National ridicule I'm not going to buy into the hope and optimism this year. Unless we actually start seeing the results on the field during the games. I don't want to hear Beaty talk about who's doing what or how the offensive line looks or the offense looks or the defense.He can talk it up as much as he wants to and talk about going to bowl games you actually have to start seeing results and I don't see how he can make a such a big difference in one year when the first three years have brought us nothing with this guy.

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John Fitzgerald

I get that, but we really don't have a choice other than to wait and see. He's the coach and we can't change that. If he does go 0-12, or even 1-11 in his 4th year, then I'm confident Beaty and Zenger will be fired without doubt from anyone.

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Kevin Robert Fest

Yes but would another wasted season be moving the football program forward or if they had gotten rid of him already woold the program be moving forward under a new coach? I understand not getting rid of a coach every 2 to 3 years but if there was any signs of progress with this team under Beaty, the type of progress you see with Iowa State under Matt Campbell or the small signs of progress you saw with Baylor in close losses to games when most of ours were blowouts. You could watch a Kansas football game with the Monty Python music running and you would think it was a comedy show and that's not what you need from a program has trying to be competitive.

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Len Shaffer

I'm with you, Kevin. Being a KU football fan is definitely a lesson in (virtually lifelong) patience ...

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Mike Hart

Again... very fair, John!

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Drew Matthews

Hasn't built it "the right way" ... His words not mine (Brings in almost all JUCO kids when he said he would not do that). Has not developed a QB at all (even further exposed by Cozart's success at Boise)... Has not developed any semblance of an offensive line and most importantly has won a single FBS game in three full seasons.... I am not sure how anyone can defend him at this point. He can't even pull in Texas kids anymore. I'd love to know why we should give him 4 - 5 years if he clearly is not building the program "the right way". With that said I hope the best for the kids that signed with us as I know they will give everything that have to win. I just don't think it puts us in a good spot to have THAT many JUCO players come in at once.

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Jeff Seymour

Success by Cozart, that is a bit of an exaggeration! In the second and third game he played most of the game because of an injury to Rypien. He did have one nice game and a few good plays here and there. Just like when he was at KU. But he was the same Cozart, running out of bounds two yards before a first down. No coaching can fix that slow delivery. I can agree with you about the rest of your post.

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David Robinett

Question: would you guys rather have one or two star high school recruits, or three star Jucos?

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John Fitzgerald

Personally, I don't give a damn anymore. I just want more than 3 wins in 3 years.

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Gary Wilson

Better coaching makes lesser talent better.

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David Robinett

He needs to get the best recruits possible at the moment.

Sure, it would be great if he had done better with Texas high school recruits but this article actually highlights the limiting factor there-SEC encroachment into Texas and yes our poor record of late.

We certainly should have done much better this year, not lost the non con games, and displayed more discipline. But there could be something to the idea that the average age of our players and time in the program is what led to some of these discipline based mistakes.

It just might turn out that the decision-makers will be right in their decision to not kick the third coach in a row out after 2 1/2 years. Because that is also a way to continue to bury our program just as much as another year of failure might.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

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Suzi Marshall

Looks like the Texas Pipeline has dried up for Houston area universities. UH and Rice only signed one each...ouch. UT is definitely back.

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Brad Avery

Kansas has won three games in three seasons with mostly Texas players. I frankly don't care if KU never signs another kid from Texas. Obviously, they are not all great players or even demonstrably better than local kids.

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Geoffrey Alonso

Yeah man, gotta say, Dorance Armstrong, Daniel Wise, Hakeem Adenijii, etc strongly disagree with your assertion of the Texas talent level. It's the second biggest producer of football talent next to Florida if memory serves. I think we would be well off maintaining a presence there. No, not everyone recruited produces, that is the same with all schools. But Kansas produces no where near the talent TX does. Not even remotely close.

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Robert Brock

Man, even the Texas leftovers are afraid of the sinking Kansas ship!

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David A. Smith

This is getting old. There is no evidence that our class is subpar. This is more about trying to spin the information to say "see, I told ya so". Weis was terrible in his evaluation of JC talent and character. But, when you look at the other schools that tried hard to get our JC guys, that is much more telling than this muscle memory perspective that has become KUsports. com. There is no fresh insight here. So, consider me a dissenter in my opinion. I think we have a great class so far.

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Ray Winger

Any relation to 'Braden Smith'? You sound like someone with experience and insight. I would like you to write more regularly.

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Dirk Medema

Gotta give TK credit for at least providing this much data. It would seem to me to fall short in 2 significant ways:
1. It only assigns value to the top 100 players. The logical extension of this is to unspokenly presume that the other recruits from TX are without value; worthless. I'm not certain but I don't think our 3 all-conference players from TX were top 100 nor would they appreciate that sentiment. So much for the inability of the staff to develop players.

2. That leads right into the 2nd point. This is only a 1 year analysis. What happened the previous 2 years? Dried up implies that things use to be better and have gotten worse but there isn't a smidgen of info to support the claim - and the immature minds gobble it up like a bunch of unsupervised adolescents on 10/31.

As an extra let's throw in the fact that recruiting is not finished. There are still 2 months to go before the final class is complete. Who knows, maybe we can find some more worthless all-conference players.

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David Kemp

Given that we had 20 Texas players on the 2017 roster I believe an analysis will prove him right

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Layne Pierce

Its not the players you get, Its what you get from the players.

Rock Chalk

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Len Shaffer

Well said, Layne.

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Dee Shaw

I am SHOCKED.

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Brett McCabe

This recruiting class can be appraised in only one way: a catastrophic disaster.

First, it's next-to-last in the conference - the fourth straight time we've been last or next-to-last.

Second, it features more JUCO recruits than any other team in the conference. As Keegan pointed out, this bankrupts our Senior class in 2021, which will have fewer 4 or 5-year players than any other team in the conference.

Third, compared to the other 1-11 team in the conference, we finished way, way, way back. Baylor massively out-recruited us with the same record and a coach who comes from Pennsylvania and who has virtually no Texas ties.

Fourth, we gave a $300,000 raise and promotion to a coach who absolutely failed to close the deal on the Louisiana recruiting effort.

It would be hard to describe a worse possible outcome for the future of KU football.

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Len Shaffer

I agree with everything you said, Brett, except the part about Tony Hull. If we had a head coach who was even barely passable, he may have been able to keep more of his Louisiana recruits in the fold, but how much influence can ANYONE have over players when they can see with their own eyes what is likely to happen if they come to KU?

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John Brazelton

Coaches can coach, but it takes player desire and effort to win or lose games. With 20+ senior, junior and sophomore classes next season, wins will start going upwards, just how much we'll have to wait and see. I can guarantee each of you that our players are just as tired of losing as the fans are watching them lose. Last year's recruiting class had 8 to 10 preferred walk-ons, primarily from Kansas. This year's recruiting class should have a similar amount of walk-ons. Two or three years from now, those walk-ons who pan out and stay with the program should be receiving scholarships for their efforts. The KU football program is on its way upwards starting with the 2018 season.

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Len Shaffer

You say that "wins will start going upwards" as if it's a fact. The problem with your THEORY is that for wins to "start going upwards," you have to have a coach who has some semblance of an idea of what he's doing, and Beaty has given us NO indication that he has the slightest clue of how to be an effective head coach. As I said in another post, I'll be SHOCKED if we win more than one game in 2018.

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Jeff Coffman

I thought that it was supposed to go up in 2017? Even according to Beaty it was supposed to go up. So is it 2018 now?

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David Kemp

Don’t worry there won’t be a 2019

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David Kemp

And furthermore we need a qb who currently hasn’t played for this team. Pretty clear neither can win games. We must find the next Reesing now.

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Brian Wilson

LOL.....He had to lie to sell tickets. Beaty knew ahead of time how bad 2017 was going to be. IMO, all the naysayers will eat dust, KU gets 3 wins and starts improving.

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