Hall of Fame Material: Larry Brown 'in awe' of Bill Self's stellar run at Kansas

Current Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self, left, and former KU coach Larry Brown visit on the bench during the Legends of the Phog game Saturday, Sept. 24, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

On the day that Larry Brown was inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, back in 2002, between all of the buzz and emotion surrounding his enshrinement, the former Kansas coach who is the only man to have coached teams to NCAA and NBA championships took time to walk around the Hall and reminisce about a bunch of great moments with dozens of his favorite people already in basketball’s most illustrious venue.

Today, with former Brown protégé and close friend Bill Self on the brink of joining him in the Hall of Fame, Brown prepares to make room for one more. Earlier this season, the 14th-year KU coach was nominated and named a finalist for this year’s class, which will be revealed Saturday in Arizona.

A graduate assistant on Brown’s staff at Kansas during the 1985-86 season, Self showed early on that he had the two qualities Brown believes are most important when putting together a coaching staff.

“My whole thing was always, ‘Are you going to work hard and be loyal,’” Brown told the Journal-World during a recent chat about Self and the Hall of Fame. “Anyone who’s around Bill Self sees those two qualities right off the bat.”

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Kansas head basketball coach Bill Self and former KU coach Larry Brown watch the action ...

That’s not to say that Brown, back in the 1980s, knew that Self was destined to become a Hall of Fame coach. Brown said he has been asked that question often about Self, John Calipari, Gregg Popovich and others, and instead of painting himself as a prophet, he always answers honestly.

“I just knew they were loyal, hard-working guys and that I wanted to be around them,” Brown said. “I don’t know if anybody can predict that someone will one day be in the Hall of Fame.”

After getting a call from Self about an opportunity to join his staff following their first encounter at a summer camp, Brown appreciated Self’s aggressive, go-getter attitude.

“From that moment on, we’ve had a relationship that’s just grown and grown and grown,” said Brown, who has been a fixture at KU practices and behind the Kansas bench during recent NCAA Tournament runs. “I’m in awe of what he’s done.”

While the ridiculous record at home, insanely high winning percentage, 13 consecutive Big 12 titles and laundry list of other Self accomplishments have impressed him, Brown lists Self’s unselfish nature as one of his strongest traits.

“I’ve never once heard Bill blame a player for costing a game,” Brown began. “I’ve never once heard him not compliment the people he coaches against, regardless. I’ve never once heard him talk about bad calls costing him. And he doesn’t tear people down in recruiting, he talks about what KU has. Those are things, to me, that are so special.

“It’s unbelievable what he’s done and he has not accepted it as him doing it, which is really unique.... There’s a DNA in there that he understands you don’t do this alone. You don’t get to where you are and have all this success unless a lot of people have helped along the way. But there’s not a lot of guys that accept that or say that.”

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Former Kansas coach Larry Brown, left, laughs as he and Kansas head coach Bill Self ...

Ever a student of the game, Brown, 76, has watched Self’s teams closely throughout the years, living and dying with every make and miss during March Madness and laughing and learning during the KU practices he has attended. One of Brown’s favorite aspects of Self’s style is how his teams always seem to execute flawlessly after timeouts.

“Some guys are great game coaches, some are great practice coaches, and he’s the whole package,” Brown said.

Never was that more clear to Brown than during the Jayhawks’ recently completed 31-5 season in which Self’s coaching chops were tested because of the make-up of his roster. No problem, said Brown, who added that Self had demonstrated long before the 2016-17 season that he was both able and willing to evolve as a coach.

“You don’t get to the level he’s at without trying to learn and get better,” Brown said. “He’s always trying to improve. And, to me, this is his best year because, he went from coaching a certain way since he’s been at Kansas, utilizing big guys and playing inside-out, to all of a sudden, playing four-out, one-in without a deep bench. It just shows you why he’s so special.”

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Shannon Gustafson

This is impossible, how can Larry Brown be in awe when everyone on here wants to fire him? That must mean Larry doesn't know anything about coaching, what defines a great coach, or how to identify a great coach from a lousy coach right?

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Suzi Marshall

I hope your kidding with that comment. Only a first rate nut case would want to fire Self.

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Craig Alexander

It was in jest.

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Mike Greer

Sheldon, Sheldon, Sheldon, you have to learn to understand sarcasm ;)

There seem to be a number of ". . . first rate nut case . . ." fans, if you dare call them that, that seem to be advocating that coach Self should be relieved of his coaching duties because the team once again didn't make the final four as a #1 seed in the tournament. They obviously have more insight into what makes a great coach and future Hall of Fame coach than a current Hall of Fame coach like coach Brown.

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Shannon Gustafson

Of course I was.

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Rae Bricil

most sane people do not want HCBS fired but most also realize that he has an E8 coaching problem. IF, as a coach, you are 2-7 in a particular game and your team always plays so tight (including 2008) there is a coaching issue that needs remedied.

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John Strayer

This is my point. I love Coach Self...I'm glad he's coaching at KU. But at the same time I certainly hope he is not satisfied with being 2-7 in regional finals. I'm certainly not happy that his KU record in regional finals is 2-5. I'll also point out he is on the short end of the stick in the Champions Classic too. To me its a sore point. In both of those events we're likely play against great teams. I think a great KU program should be able to hold its own when competing against its peer group. That's my perspective. That's how I feel. I love KU and want nothing but the best for the University and all of its programs. I just hope no one is settling and is at least studying how to keep improving.

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Mike Greer

Coach Self is a very competitive guy and I can all but assure you he is not happy with his teams record in the Elite Eight.

With regards to the Champions Classic, it's really a luck of the draw thing. Do you get Michigan State when they're up or down for the year, same with Kentucky and Duke. Take some solace in the fact that this season we beat all three of the other teams in the Classic. And made it as far or further in the Tournament than any of them as well.

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Mike Riches

On a related note, if you're ever in New England, it is totally worth the trip to visit the Basketball HOF in Springfield. Really cool place with a lot of KU ties. Self absolutely belongs in that group, no question.

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Hiroyuki Kato

Anybody calling for Bill Self's head is Maybe it's time to change the Jayhawk. Make it angrier, more intimidating.

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Jay Hawk

I like the way I am.

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Hiroyuki Kato

Anybody calling for Bill Self's head is moron. Maybe it's time to change the Jayhawk. Make it angrier, more intimidating.

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Creg Bohrer

For those still trying to blame Self need to look a little more objectively at what happened this year. We should've had the best team in country by far but Bragg regressed instead of developing the skills needed to play inside, Dok got injured and Colby never really fully healed until the last couple weeks. So yes we had the best guards in country but 0 inside presence as far as scoring and defense. So we're stuck with Jackson a 3 man playing the 4 spot at barely 200lbs, forced to play a style of basketball that we've never played before really really small with no defensive presence inside. When Dok went down and the season starting out with Lucas being injured and Bragg looking like he had never played basketball before I remember a lot of people on here were doubting we would end up winning the conference let a lone have a chance to be a number 1 seed in the tourney and if you're honest with yourself if it were any other coach we would've been lucky to finish mid pack in our conference. We lost to a team that had just as good as guards as we did, but they had a NBA caliber power forward that swatted every shot around the basket so when we went cold outside we couldn't drive and score inside if we have Dok or Carlton would've progressed I really believe we win that game. If we weren't white hot from outside against Michigan State and Purdue we would've gotten beat in either or both of those games. If you look at this year four other hall of fame coaches didn't make the final four and three of them didn't make the sweet 16 three of those teams that didn't make the final four were the top three in recruiting last year. So again Self did a awesome job this year he took a patch work team and went as far as the talent would allow, coaching a style of basketball foreign to him.

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Rae Bricil

if this was a one time or a few time occurrence i would completely agree with you about this Oregon game but it's not. KU was favored by 7 and lost by double digits on what was basically a home court. KU, and Self's teams in general, cannot find a way to play loose in the E8 games--it is not a coincidence that year after year KU has its worst game of the season on this night.

what you listed is all true but they were in a position to win and melted down--if they were playing as underdog, even as the 1 seed, i would not have a problem. so my question is why year after year does it happen in this round?

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Creg Bohrer

I don't know maybe ask why Kentucky didn't make it or Duke or Louisville or Arizona or UCLA? All teams that could of or should of made it. Because they either had a off game and or ran up against a hot team, it happens to the best teams and the ones we've lost have been to very good teams like Villanova last year. I don't know how a coach can be responsible because we couldn't throw it in the ocean or because 90% of them were not mentally prepared for the pressure.

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Rae Bricil

I don't know how a coach can be responsible because we couldn't throw it in the ocean or because 90% of them were not mentally prepared for the pressure.

it is the coaches job to mentally prepare his team is it not? granted there is some personal accountability but i would say most coaches take it upon themselves to mentally prepare their team before a game.

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Creg Bohrer

It's the coaches job to coach they're not responsible for passing the ball,shooting the ball or doing psychological evaluation with shock therapy. How would you suggest he alter their mental state before a game, or force them not to be nervous?

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Harlan Hobbs

I move that we appoint Rae as coach as see what happens. Bill Self is as good as any coach that KU has had. He and the others who have followed the legendary Phog have kept up, and continued to grow, the tradition.

KU was favored by 7 over Oregon simply because that is where the betting money was. Just goes to show that prognosticators and bettors often act through their hearts rather than their brains.

Given all of the issues that KU dealt with this year, they probably got about as much out of the season that they could. Oregon simply had the talent to expose KU's weaknesses. Can't say that about the teams in the Big 12, even though everyone thought that Baylor and their size would take us down. Didn't happen, and probably won't next year, even if on paper we won't be as strong as this year.

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Mike Riches

I can't say that I agree that we got as much out of this season as we could. The truth is we should have won Saturday's game (and covered the spread for those who care about that). We had by far our worst game of the season, and were still within two possessions with three minutes left. Oregon started slowing down (playing not to lose) with about 14 minutes left, which was the perfect recipe for a comeback if we had just hit some of our threes, like we had all season. Of course we'll never know, but I think this team could have run the table (UNC would have been tough but definitely winnable). I felt that way in 2011 when we lost to VCU, which of course makes the loss harder to swallow.

I'm confident that as frustrated as many fans may be, none are more frustrated than Self and these players, who knew their potential. This one will sting for a long time.

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Rae Bricil

Stop conflating my argument and being lazy in this debate by using ridiculous hyperbole. I am not saying that BS is not a great coach or that there is someone better for KU. All I am saying is that BS’s teams tighten up in the E8 year after year and due to this fact, he should have made more F4’s. This view is not based on a single game but rather his body of work over his career.

The stats support these two statements and if you feel they don’t please show me your point. But don’t refer to average wins in tournament or Big 12 titles. My argument is only about his failures in the E8. His record as other have pointed out is 2-7 in all and 2-5 at KU. At KU that is a 28%-win rate in the E8. Give the number of times we have been 1 seeds (7, I believe under BS—which is amazing) do you not think that it should at least be close to 50%. Also, and I stated this elsewhere that in 6 of 9 E8 games BS’s teams have posted their lowest score of the season. The odds that in 6 years out 9 given thirty games a season a team posts its lowest score in the same game of the season are insane and beyond random. Additionally, even the players said they were tight and you could feel it in the arena just pressing the whole came because they looked so unprepared. Lastly, as other have pointed out, if on average a 1 seed makes it to the F4 30-40% of the time is the fact that BS is 1 for 7, or 14% an achievement? Just by the odds he should have made it 2x or even 3. Again, if this was a one-time thing I could see the argument that players don’t make shot or they had an off night but this has happened in 6 of BS’s 9 appearances. It cannot be just the players and if you still think it is please explain the connection between players from different teams and eras having off nights continually at the same stage of the tournament.

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Blake Brown

Yes, I`m hurting from the Oregon loss and was saw fools gold after the 3 fantastic games prior to it. Yes, Oregon played great and their defence caused us to change what we have done successfully and we rushed and forced shots and played confused and ended up with our worst offensive performance on the year. Self had mentioned this ahead of game time and the players still did not adapt to the matchup zone. And, there were other game changing events that did us in.

Even then, I`m proud of the entire body of work and hold no negative thoughts towards players and coaches, especially Bill Self. We`re blessed to have this degree of excellence consistently for many years.

I would rather have, a dominating pre-conference season, win the conference and show great in the conference championship [this year not included], be rated as one of the best teams in the country and a loss in the Elite 8 [although really want to go further].

The NCAA tournament is a 6 game season and the best team in the country over the length of the entire season is not usually the one who prevails. I think there is way too much emphasis placed on the tournament results when most teams have played 30 games prior to that and it`s basically discounted other than for seedings.

Rock Chalk!

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Blake Brown

To paraphrase what was already noted on this website: At Kansas, Self won the national title in 08` and has lost twice in the first round, 3 in the 2nd round, twice in the Sweet 16, 5 in the Elite 8, once in the title game. Another way of putting that: Self is 12-2 in the first round, 9-3 in the 2nd, 7-2 in the Sweet `6, 2-5 in the Elite 8, 2-0 in national semis and 1-1 in the national title game for a 33-13 NCAA Tournament record at KU and a .717 winning percentage.

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Ben Simonett

2-5 in the elite 8 at KU

2-7 for his career

the sample size is large enough to come to conclusion ad it is this....bill self cant coach the tournament.

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RJ King

To you, Rae, and all the other "FBS" yahoos - you might want to check out this article, titled "Stop the Self hate: Kansas' coach measures up in March"

http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-...

The best quotes from the article:

"Self's seven No. 1 seeds at Kansas have under-performed when it comes to reaching the Final Four, but they've actually over-performed in terms of getting to the Elite Eight. Since 1985, 70 percent of top seeds have reached a regional semifinal. For Self's No. 1 seeds at Kansas, that number has been 75 percent."

"Compared to the number of wins a team would be expected to record based on their seed, Self's 33 tournament victories during his tenure as coach at KU is actually about four wins shy of the average."

"...we would, on average, expect to see each Jayhawks team win 0.29 games more than they have. In other words, attaining that average would yield one additional tournament win every three years. That's measurable, but I'm not sure it's commensurate with the perception of Self as somehow uniquely benighted in March."

"Is Kansas losing to a team that went 16-2 in major-conference play really so shocking compared to all of the above? Or is it that we see a not-very-unusual number of losses clustered in an unusual way around the Elite Eight and seek a more satisfying explanation than shots not falling?"

"Maybe there is such an explanation, but I doubt it's "Bill Self suddenly becomes a much worse coach annually in late March." Who knows, maybe coaches stay about as good at what they do from game to game and see unexpected things happen to their teams anyway. Maybe that's why we watch."

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Rae Bricil

again a lazy reply i never said fire BS or that there is a better coach for Kansas. see my defense above.

also if you want to quote other journalist sure:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-bask...

"It was a classic performance from a Bill Self team. For whatever reason, one of the best coaches in basketball is stymied when his team has to play an NCAA tournament game on one-day rest, as KU did on Saturday against Oregon. Since winning the title in 2008, Kansas has two tournament losses when it has had a week to prepare for a game. The Jayhawks have seven losses when they’re playing in the second round, Elite Eight or national championship — all of which come with just one day off. One or two times is a coincidence or a fluke, like those first-round losses to Bucknell and Bradley were in the mid-2000s. Seven times is an epidemic. So is KU’s inability to handle a top seed: This was the sixth time Self’s Jayhawks failed to make the Final Four as a No. 1 seed, an especially bitter pill this year since the regionals, held in Kansas City, were a virtual home game."

7 times is an epidemic and to say anything else is sugar coating. he is one of the best coaches in the country but he has serious problems with the E8 game.

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RJ King

Yes, but the author never says Self got out coached or that he was to blame for the losses. Instead,
" . . . especially when every break seemed to go the way of the Ducks, who got out to an 11-point halftime lead on a banked in 3-pointer that was overshot by two feet, and collected countless offensive rebounds merely by happening to stand exactly where the ball caromed," followed by something about Bell being a "revelation."

You are arguing that Self should have made more FF's. I'm countering with circumstances that are well beyond a coach's control. Way too many to list. Embiid? (And it wasn't Self who grabbed Mitch McGary's balls.)

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Rae Bricil

my primary point above is E8 games not second weekend as the authors discusses though the former is a subset of the latter. Neither games you describe above UM or the Embiid year were E8--those were in my opinion just unlucky and the random nature of the tournament. I am focusing on E8 which is starting to appear--with the 2-7 record--not random but a pattern and trying to figure out why. that's it.

Do you think KU teams always play tight in E8 games? and if so why? and if not please explain the low score trend i discussed above.

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Shannon Gustafson

Yes, they play tight. Why? Because they've lost a lot of them in the past. Why did they lose them? Because they played tight. It's a self fulfilling prophecy that becomes more of an issue when the media makes a big deal about it, when the fans make a big deal about it, etc. and put even more pressure on the team to not be the team that adds to the Elite 8 loss column. It's not like the players are in a bubble and don't hear about the Elite 8 record from the media, friends, opponents, social media, etc. and therefore have no reason to be tight unless the coach is tight.

This problem is further compounded by a lack of preparation time (you can't coach a team much in one day), and by the fact that other teams have more of an opportunity to prepare as they can assume KU is going to win the Sweet 16 game as they are almost always the heavy favorite, while KU can't assume who their opponent is going to be as the seed number is much closer on the other side of the bracket. Then you can compound it again because recently teams have used a match-up zone against us in our elimination game and this isn't something that is easy to prepare for in a single short practice (which is all you get on the second game of the weekend).

Does Bill Self tighten up in Elite 8 games? Probably. I can't imagine he did early on (any more than any other tourney game) but once you lose a few and people start talking about it being a trend, it's more likely to add pressure to prove them wrong, and again, we get a self fulfilling prophecy.

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Mike Greer

I'd be curious as to what statistical validation you used to determine that either 2-5 or 2-7 is a ". . . large enough. . ." sample size to reach your conclusion. Statistically, I don't agree that your sample size is adequate to draw any conclusions.

The Elite 8 game from Tulsa was beyond any accomplishment in that school's history and they have had some coaches who latter became big name coaches, Nolan Richardson and Tubby Smith just to name a couple, so I would say that team played over its head just to get to the elite 8.

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Creg Bohrer

I think they had a great season considering all the factors.

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Creg Bohrer

It's got to be a KU thing because Ole Roy had his chances and didn't even win a national championship. Ole Roy had arguably the best Kansas team ever in 97 and didn't make it out of the elite 8.

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Shannon Gustafson

Well, the only thing that has stayed the same through all these years is the fans. Maybe the fans are the ones putting unrealistic expectations on the team (any loss to a lower seed is a big issue for the fans, and when you're almost always a 1 or 2 seed, that means a final 4 or national championship are the only way to not lose to a lower seed, and yet expecting a final 4 or NC every year is ridiculous) and this causes the coach and players to feel more pressure and they tighten up because of it?

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RJ King

There is a possible explanation for our tournament "failure" that has not been addressed here.

It is a fact that once a recruit signs with Kansas their class ranking often experiences a boost - from a couple of spots to sometimes even serious double digit upward movement. I wonder if the same concept is at play for us in the seedings.

More often than not (?) there is debate over whether KU will be a #1 or #2 . . . a #2 or a #3 . . . and so on. It seems like every time (?) we have ended up with the lower (better) seed. Just like the "Duke Whistle," might we be getting a "Kansas Seed?"

For instance, this year there was talk of Oregon's resume being worthy of a No. 1 seed. They reached the title game in their conference tournament without Boucher. We lost the first game, without Jackson. We got a 1, they got a 2. If Oregon had received a #1 and KU a #2, would we have been as shocked with the loss? Last year Villanova could have easily been given a #1 seed. If we had lost to them as a #2, would we have felt as bitter?

It seems that whenever our seeding is in doubt, we end up with the better seed. Maybe we were really a "1.5" If so, then all the math needs to adjust to that, and our so-called failures in the tournament be measured slightly differently.

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Rae Bricil

i am good with that argument except that Oregon was a 3 seed--but to be favored (despite what others say point spreads are not set with emotions) on a home court and lose the way we did is shocking-similar to VCU. Overall some losses (like Villanova) are completely justifiable and would not expect a perfect record in the E8 only an average one. BS's teams always appear tight and overwhelmed in this specific game (even in wins) and that is my point. Does that ever change?

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Jason Brinker

We beat UNC by 13 in 2012 in the Elite 8 and looked pretty solid that game. That was the year we had to mount comebacks to squeak past Purdue and NC State in the 2nd round and Sweet 16. The Elite 8 game against UNC was actually probably one of their best games start to finish of that entire tournament.

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Michael Sillman

I would love to see Self bring Larry Brown in as a consultant for KU's next Elite Eight game. While Bill Self would be my absolute first choice as a coach to maximize the number of wins in a season, he would not be my choice when it comes to winning a single game.

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Mike Greer

Rae, I don't know how you think the point spread is set, but it's set so the bookies don't lose. It's how many points does it take to get the bets even on both sides. That's emotional. It's not based on anything other than the bookies trying to balance the betting. That's why it changes many times as the game approaches.

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Bryce Landon

In the immediate aftermath of the Oregon loss, I was on here demanding Bill Self's firing as loudly as I did after the WSU loss two seasons ago. While at work, I expressed those sentiments with my supervisor, who knows I'm a big Kansas fan. He offered me some perspective. He's a Nebraska football fan, and he says he remembers how a lot of Husker fans demanded Frank Solich's firing because he couldn't win the big games. Well, they got what they wanted. Solich was out, and in came Bill Callahan, who proceeded to turn the Huskers into a laughingstock by the end of his tenure. My supervisor told me, "Be careful what you wish for."

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Jason Brinker

And here comes another flip flop by Bryce...shocker!

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Bryce Landon

What's wrong with reconsidering my position? And what's wrong with getting some perspective from a fan of another team who regrets the choices his AD made?

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Jason Brinker

What's wrong with waiting a couple days before you start firing off angry tirades on the message boards demanding that Bill Self be fired? You are a chicken little.

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Mike Greer

Sage advice from your supervisor. The same thing happened to Kentucky basketball, the fans wanted Tubby Smith out because they didn't have a national championship every other year, Tubby, if I recall this correctly, beat the fans to the punch and left Kentucky because of the unrest. They hired Billy Gillespie and he lasted 2 years before they realized how good they had it before they dumped Tubby.

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Chad Smith

Not firing self. We shot 20% from 3. Make our normal clip (40-45%) and we maybe win or have a chance at the end. I found a very sad stat for KU in Elite Eights under self. Weve shot collectively 26% from 3 in those 7 games. I do agree with us playing tight everytime as a 1 seed. There are two instances in the elite eight we didnt play tight. Selfs first e8 against georgia tech his 1st year as coach. Game went to OT and jarrett jack just won the game for them. Then in 2012 against unc. We were the underdog in that game to be sure and played loose and aggressive. Every other time (UCLA, Davidson, VCU, Villanova, Oregon) we have played not to lose and also, been a 1 seed. We only beat davidson because our team defense was our calling card all year. Maybe lets lose a couple non-con games early next season and a be a 2 seed again. Haha.

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Mike Greer

Even back before the Bill Self era, many KU fans crossed our fingers we would not be a #1 seed in the tournament, just seemed the guys played better (lose maybe is the correct term) when they didn't have the pressure of a #1 seed hanging over them. I know this year everyone wanted that one seed so they would paly in KC, but sometimes it's a curse. How many #1 seeds are in the Final Four this year? And how many years since the tournament went to 64 teams have all the number 1 seeds made it to the final four?

answers: 2 & 1.

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Creg Bohrer

Mike. I wondered if being in Kansas City may of hurt more than it helped as far as feeling more pressure. I mean we went to Rupp beat Kentucky and beat Duke on a neutral floor. I think they played better this year away from AF.

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Mike Greer

This years team had a lot of pressure with the conference streak and all. And as others have said, the word on the street is KU can't win the Regional, so yes, I think playing in Sprit Center with what, 13,000 fans in the stands, may have put additional pressure on the team at a time when they were already under a lot of pressure. Who can get in the head of a 19-22 year old college student?

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Creg Bohrer

Chad. That might not be a bad idea at all, I'm not saying lose on purpose but this last year if we could've developed Bragg or Lightfoot into a solid inside presence I think we have a much better chance in March. I don't want to doubt coach but if we take a couple loses in the regular season to further the development of a few more guys we might get better results in March.

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Brian Babcock

I love it when this board discusses our team without the thread turning into a childish name calling back and forth. Thank you all for discussing the questions I find myself pondering - but with more statistics, fewer cuss words, and generally better grammar.

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